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No. They can break all the rules in the book yet this is no legally recognised defence when arguing your case in court (you will lose). However, there may be the possibility that they may not be allowed to net off from that site if they break the rules, so this might be worth chasing this up anyway (the SCP may drop your case so they can keep their revenue).


No. there’s no way 50Hz interference could consistently add a precise cumulative offset to ~40 samples at 125Hz without an error being reported (trust me, I’m a well informed engineer). Plus you could get stung with court costs well in the thousands (this has happened just recently).

However, this doesn’t mean you weren’t victim to the dreaded slip effect - there were many high profile news articles (some front page) on this subject in recent months. If I were you, I would plead not guilty and demand all evidence prior to trial (you can always plead guilty just before trial if you get cold feet, resulting with extra small court costs only), then scan, censor and post whatever you receive so we can give further advice.

Also, ask the guys at PePiPoo.com

I have every sympathy for you; good luck!

What is the 'slip effect'?

Also, there must be loop holes to get out of these things.

I've got two books:

The Drivers's Survival Handbook by Martin Thwaite
Guerrilla Speed Camera Tacktics by Martin Thwaite

Both say, if the police unit is parked illigilly the case gets thrown out?

This guy is an ex copper for 20 years, surely he knows what he is talking about?

But, what is the slip effect?

Perhaps but I would prefer not to be seen to aid and abet you in 'perverting the course of justice', especially from this web site (but the guys at PePiPoo might think differently!!)


AFAIK, if the operator can prove you were speeding - they’ve got you, end of story. The operator will pay the penalty for any offence they commit.


This is assuming you were caught by a laser speedmeter (LTI, Prolaser...):
The slip effect is where the instead of laser beam following a fixed point on the target vehicle (eg front number plate), it travels along the target vehicle and adds (or subtracts) that 'slip' distance to the distance travelled by the vehicle in the 300ms (approx) sample window, artificially raising (or lowering) its reported speed.

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Here are some useful links:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/southwes ... eras.shtml
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/2005%20Sep ... tm#cameras
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... side.shtml
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... urce=&ct=5

Hi there.

Reading your post, and leaving out the details of this particular incident, it does appear that you should look at your driving style and awareness. There are a lot of members on this board who take pride in the fact that they have no points, some have never had any. I can't say the latter, but I've not had any for 10 years...

The "Importance of Being Earnest" comes to mind...

Thanks smeggy, some good help there and I'll look into the links, especially the PePiPoo one. Thanks again for that.

B cyclist, pointless comments from you, just like everyone else, I'm a safe driver, what the hell is wrong with doing 56 on the bloody motorway you nit.

We all know cameras are there to catch us all out and f*** us over. The police have become tax collecters to don't give me that bullshit about looking at my driving habbits.

You might not have any points now, but you will next month so shut it.

Sanitised, RP

Love it.

I think you have just proved why you are in the poo!

I do not feel that society is in any way benefitted by penalising this type of driver. On the contrary, the effects are only negative, for the driver, her/his family, the authorities, and society as a whole. The only people who feel good about this are (IMO) over-simplistic self-righteous people who are probably inadvertently misguided and are very likely being just an itsy-witsy bit hypocritical. I mean, if they examine their own behaviour, and that of other people who they know and trust, they would very likely have to admit that they commit many technical speeding offences for which they would deep down feel to be unworthy of the punishment that society would give them (had they been caught).
And had they been caught several times for these technical offences, and then banned from driving, with all the associated difficulties, they may well be inclined to get a bit angry about it.

Good point.

I can't really see why the other guy is even on these forums. If he has no point on his licence then he is simply a troll to wind people up, people like myself who have points.

Pot meet kettle

Well, I thought your post would have stood on its own without the mention of a previous ban, or the gratuitous swearing. If you were done for 36 in a 40 then you have a point. Your posts states you are being done for doing 56 and for doing 57 so it is not clear what you are being done for.

"just regular driving in what I felt to be safe for the road conditions." is a non-sequiteur - were you slowing down for the filling station or not?

I don't drive the A1 regularly, but I do drive it and I know to be exceptionally careful in the road works there, which seem to be semi-permanent! They have quite a reputation.

I suspect that the tailvan probably got you hundreds of yards before you saw it...

Also the A1 isn't a motorway there.

Anyway, I symptathise with your plight as you were (probably) driving vaguely safely, but have you considered IAM or suchlike? Also B Cyclist isn't a troll, and I suspect that most members here don't have any points.

I think his point about addressing your driving is not about the speed at which you drive but about your apparent lack of observation - you did, after all, manage to miss 4 fixed cameras and a van. Although we know the vans are usually hidden so that's probably not a surprise.

However much you loathe cameras, purely in the interests of self-preservation it makes sense to adapt your driving style to avoid being constantly pinged by them - something that is much more about observation and being aware of enforcement tactics than religiously sticking to the limit all the time.

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Yes, those are pretty much the points I was trying to get across.

Sometimes I'm not as clear as I'd like to be!

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Steve55 I’d be very careful, you have given quite a bit of information in your first post that may be useful to outsiders who scan these types of forums.

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As I alluded to previously, if you are caught you be done for 'perverting the course of justice'. Your risk!

What the hell are we supposed to do then, just let these f*****s get away with these speed traps?

sanitised RP

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you could try driving at or below the number in the sign that you said you saw just before all 5 traps
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