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Hi!

I use the A515 Buxton to Ashbourne road everyday to get to work, its recently had a speed reduction of 60mph to 50mph but from Newhaven to Buxton I have noticed 5 grey metal trunks that have sprouted out of the verge and very close to the edge of the road, they are lamp post size. Anybody else seen them and do you know if they are going to be for speed cameras?
They look like they could be for the speed cameras that take your average speed over a set distance but they dont hangover the road like the SPECS cameras I've seen going into Nottingham.

Cheers

Smiler

I came back along the A515 a couple of nights ago - it was dark so I didn't see any posts. But given the stupid stupid stupid reduction in the speed limit it wouldn't surprise me at all if cameras go in - lets face it who is going to take the slightest notice of such needless reduction in the limit if they don't enforce it?

In addition to the limit reduction they've gone mad with the rumble strips on several innocuous bends north of Fenny Bentley. Being new they gave my fairly stiffly sprung old Golf a right shake at the legal limit. Why they are there I can only guess but the irony is the slower you go the harder the shaking, go over them over the new limit (did I mention it being stupid ) and the less of a shaking you get And I shall be writing to the County Council because I wouldn't much fancy going over them in the wet on a motorbike and want to know if they have been tested in place with a bike? To my mind they may not be safe.

Barkstar

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It would not surprise me to see SPECS go in along there

A few Gatsos would be as useless as they always are.

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Did the County Council ever explain why they had reduced the limit Peter? I did send them a letter but they didn't ordain to reply

If they put average speed cameras in even 2CV owners won't be safe, it'll be 18 miles of staring intently at the speedo.

Barkstar

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No, they didn't reply to me either. I mentioned this to someone who works in the industry and he suggested it might have been because my letter was too confrontational in tone, whereas of course it was the soul of politeness. (Did I actually send you a copy at the time?)


Or, if you're going out on a leisure drive, 18 miles of taking another route.

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Taken a couple of photos of the alien trees this morning, not measured the distance between them but would say they are all about a mile apart.

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=7380902

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=7380894

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=7380893

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=7380892

Are these camers active yet, or are there still wires sticking out of the poles ?

Hiya, from what I have seen so far it looks like they are just going to be those flashy signs that light up when you are breaking the speed limit etc. Theres only one been completed at the moment near Dowlow quarry, it has the black sign with led's on it with solar panels and wind turbine on top. Hopefully thats what all the others will be too. In my opinion these signs work better than speed cameras anyway.

Cheers

S

No evidence of any cameras when I went along there yesterday - from the photos they actually look more like mobile phone masts.

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Stopped using that stretch since the daft limit reduction - now cut through Earl Sterndale and go parallel to the A515 to re-emerge just before Newhaven. Not quicker, but at least I avoid the tedium of having to drive down an excellent bit of road at an a slow speed, or drive at a sensible speed and risk a prosecution.

And those eye sore signs will further detract from a lovely part of Derbyshire.

50 limits are spreading like a cancer across the county

Given that Long Hill has just been 50'd as well, the A623 is now about the only significant stretch of A-road in the Derbyshire Peak District with NSL. Or it was last time I looked...

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Peter,

I thought I was the only one who did that. Whatever happened to the 'open road' ?

e.

nice... yours ?

I have just been 'caught' on this road. The system is the average speed system, and the police seemed very pleased with themselves. I am now waiting my court summons ......

oh, the policeman told me that they had used sensors on the road? I am not really that genned up on this stuff, thats why I am frantically searching this forum !

Bad news. Where were you caught? Last time I used the road I noticed a number of the posts in the Sparklow area. The junctions at the bottom of the dip have had their problems in the past - hence the lengthy no overtaking section.

I've tried to find any info on the start and end of the average speed section but no joy. Is this a first for such a rural road? Tell me it doesn't run the whole length from Buxton to Ashbourne

As part of my Googling I did find this

http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/Images/content/DemocraticServices/Reports/2007.09.13%20A515.pdf

The last page tell us all we need to know:



And still the Council knew better...as always.

Seems no where is safe from the car cash register, sorry safety cameras.

Barkstar

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I'm not aware of any concrete evidence of average speed enforcement along here. I drove along the road a couple of weeks ago (I know, I'm a masochist) and saw no signs of it. In general nowadays fixed enforcement is made bleeding obvious.

I suspect scrag has simply experienced VASCAR between two timing points.

It would not surprise me to see SPECS along here in the future, though

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Travelling from Ashbourne to Buxton, I came out of a corner, and had a long straight ahead of me, nr the Jug and glass pub I think, I need to go back to recall properly, I overtook another vehicle which was driving painfully slow, and bingo to the cops, they were coming the other way.

I could really go on about it to be honest! I am a courtious, safe driver, I like to make progress with assertive and focused driving. I would never speed in a 30 or near a school or built up area, but this really is a ridiculous limit on a lovely road!

Now I risk losing my license because of silly mistake in an even sillyer country.
Grrrrrrr

I feel your pain, I really do. And the painfully slow driver who saw you get stopped no doubt thinks that they're "safer than those overtaking lunatics" even more than they did before.

Surely one of the worst things about the current obsession with the speed limit is that it persuades slow but underskilled drivers that they're somehow better and safer than everyone else, when the truth is that they're not only not better, they're worse. When it comes to safety, knowingly giving people false delusions must be one of the stupidest things possible.

It's hard to believe that anyone who knows anything about driving or road safety could really think that the current emphasis on speed limits was anywhere near the correct approach. (People that hate motorists, on the other hand, must love speed cameras...since every driver speeds, cameras are a great way of constantly threatening every driver with prosecution and an eventual ban. What could be more effective in the short term if you have a fundamental problem with the freedom that a car provides? You're not going to get anywhere by being honest about your prejudices after all; far better to hijack road safety instead, and it's a small price to pay if thousands of people die unnecessarily.)

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Agree, the keep to the limit or slower brigade without experience of normal driving, anticipating, reading the road ahead, watching for things others might do, where is that pedestrian going, or watching that that bike wobble are more dangerous than an experienced driver thinking ahead.


However, after 33 years of driving I now feel I am being deskilled as I have to look out for talivans rather than concentrating on the road ahead.

Yet I still see idiots running lights, turning left from a right hand lane, speeding down residential streets and having no regard for other road users, pedestrians or cyclists. Far better to get these people off the road that the safe driver slightly over the limit.