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 Post subject: Blackpool cameras
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 18:32 
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I recently had the pleasure of working in Blackpool and was amazed at the amount of Cameras people there have to put up with, they seem to be every few hundred yards along the road.
I can honestly say I spent more time looking at my speedometer than anywhere else.
As a Scotsman from Ayrshire where we only have a handful i could not wait to get back home with my licence intact.


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Yes, and they've got rid of all the (admittedly rather few) 40 limits within the borough and have erected signs saying "In Blackpool it's 30 or less!"

Mad Moggie will confirm how ridiculous the 30 limit is on the A583 approaching the M55.

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Only the one road > 30mph that I can think of and that is Yeadon Way (the road from the end of the M55 into the main carparks) and this is 40 + the very short strip from the A583 that PeterE mentions..

From last check I think it is about 50 fixed cameras in Blackpool and about 10 that cover all the rest of the surrounding areas (St. Annes, Poulton Fleetwood etc)


I did have a screen grab from my PDA that showed all the cams position on a map, but I cannot find it.


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Have a look at this and zoom in on Blackpool :shock:

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Have a look at this and zoom in on Blackpool :shock:


And looking at that I've seen at least 4 or 5 places that are not shown as mobile sites at the south end of Blackpool alone (2 of which I've only ever seen the police check at)


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 Post subject: Re: Blackpool cameras
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andyboyster wrote:
I can honestly say I spent more time looking at my speedometer than anywhere else.


Bad driver then aren't you?

If you can't maintain your speed without breaking the speed limit whilst being aware of what's going on around you how did you pass your test?

Perhaps you should slow down if you find it hard?


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 Post subject: Re: Blackpool cameras
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weepej wrote:
andyboyster wrote:
I can honestly say I spent more time looking at my speedometer than anywhere else.


Bad driver then aren't you?

If you can't maintain your speed without breaking the speed limit whilst being aware of what's going on around you how did you pass your test?

Perhaps you should slow down if you find it hard?


I,m a learner driver :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Blackpool cameras
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how did you pass your test?

You'll find many passed their test even though they exceeded the speed limit - known as a driving fault. You can have up to 16 driving faults.


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 Post subject: Re: Blackpool cameras
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smeggy wrote:
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how did you pass your test?

You'll find many passed their test even though they exceeded the speed limit - known as a driving fault. You can have up to 16 driving faults.


You can break the speed limit 16 times on your test and still pass (assuming you get no other strikes)?


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If a candidate acquires several (three or more) driving faults in the same category, the examiner may consider the fault a recurring and dangerous habit and mark a serious fault in that category.

No you can't.

I imagine if you exceed the limit more than three times that'd be a serious fault, which is a fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Practical_Test


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 Post subject: Re: Blackpool cameras
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andyboyster wrote:
weepej wrote:
andyboyster wrote:
I can honestly say I spent more time looking at my speedometer than anywhere else.


Bad driver then aren't you?

If you can't maintain your speed without breaking the speed limit whilst being aware of what's going on around you how did you pass your test?

Perhaps you should slow down if you find it hard?


I,m a learner driver :lol:


Well, I recommend you learn how to not break the speed limit whilst being observant or you'll be a learner for quite some time!


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weepej wrote:
Bad driver then aren't you?

If you can't maintain your speed without breaking the speed limit whilst being aware of what's going on around you how did you pass your test?

Perhaps you should slow down if you find it hard


Expert driver are you?

I have you ever thought they maybe capable of driving with the speed limit, without constantly checking the Speedo. However if there are loads of cams about you are going to have that little bit of doubt or worry in the back of you mind. I find when I drive on the speed controlled section of the M42 I look at my Speedo more than I normally would, despite the fact I am fully capable of maintaining a constant speed in my car.

I recon the number of cam s in blackpool is to try and get visitors to the town. As we are aware cams present no real problem to locals, as they know where they are.

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If a candidate acquires several (three or more) driving faults in the same category, the examiner may consider the fault a recurring and dangerous habit and mark a serious fault in that category.

No you can't.

I imagine if you exceed the limit more than three times that'd be a serious fault, which is a fail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Practical_Test

Regardless, the principle is proven.
One can exceed the speed limit several times during the test and still pass.


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smeggy wrote:
Regardless, the principle is proven.
One can exceed the speed limit several times during the test and still pass.


Hmm, by one or two mph maybe, I bet if you went through 35 that'd go down as a serious fault.


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Hmm, by one or two mph maybe, I bet if you went through 35 that'd go down as a serious fault.

I wouldn't!
There are 30mph roads that can easily safely carry higher speeds, an examiner may be sympathetic in those circumstances (especially if they have some sort of quota to meet).
Also, likely speedo over-read would put paid to using absolute speed as a measure of inappropriately high speed.


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 Post subject: Re: Blackpool cameras
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weepej wrote:
andyboyster wrote:
weepej wrote:
andyboyster wrote:
I can honestly say I spent more time looking at my speedometer than anywhere else.


Bad driver then aren't you?

If you can't maintain your speed without breaking the speed limit whilst being aware of what's going on around you how did you pass your test?

Perhaps you should slow down if you find it hard?


I,m a learner driver :lol:


Well, I recommend you learn how to not break the speed limit whilst being observant or you'll be a learner for quite some time!


That,s just what my instructor said. :lol:


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Exceeding speed limit is a serious fault, immediate fail: -


ANNEX 6 Driving Standards Agency (DSA)Guide to Assessment / Marking wrote:
ITEM 18 - USE OF SPEED

Expected outcome/ competence

• Safe and reasonable progress should be made along the road bearing in mind the road, a traffic and weather conditions and the road signs and speed limits.

• The vehicle should be able to stop safely, well within the distance you can see to be clear.

Assessment Criteria – (example)

Driving Fault
Drove too fast for the prevailing road and / or traffic conditions for a short period.

Serious Fault
Going too fast for the prevailing road and / or traffic conditions, exceeding speed limits.

Dangerous Fault
Any situation brought about driving far too fast that resulted in actual danger to the examiner, candidate, and the general public or property.
Action (ETA) may be required to avoid a legal requirement being breached. Discretion must obviously be exercised in the degree to be considered acceptable and the tolerance threshold over any speed limit must be quite small.


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As a resident of Blackpool I can confirm that it's a nightmare!

I got myself six points at a mobile site - five days apart, got caught the second time before I even knew about the first - on one of those roads that used to have a 40 limit.

There's one just before a junction on Devonshire Road that's been there for ages - last year they installed a zebra crossing the other side of the junction. Three times now I've seen cars drive straight over the crossing despite people waiting to cross - because all their attention is on the blasted camera.

Commuting down the prom each day is a series of 27mph processions bunched together by each change of the traffic lights. As I'm on a bike I pass these corteges - ooh, pushing 33mph sometimes - then enjoy half the journey with no traffic until I meet the next bunch.

I read somewhere that Blackpool has the highest density of cameras per head anywhere in England - though I can't confirm that.

Terrible.


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And if you look carefully, there is a 'D' box for item 18.

The fact is that many of us did indeed pass our test even though our speedo indicated that we had exceeded the posted speed limit. Ho hum.


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i don't have a problem with Blackpool except the South beach area, i have been flashed numerous times on the big one

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