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cos i bloody am

not directly due to the terror threat at its current level but more to do with the fact that i live within spitting distance of an oil refinery which has (in my opinion) pretty pathetic security with a power station on the opposite bank of the river

looking at the security at faslane, it is pretty damn tight. high, strong fencing with CCTV and infra red cameras around the perimeter. 2 separate layers of fencing with a patrol route between. piles of razor wire and armed guards with dogs too. personally, the single way i would improve it would be by digging a ditch around the outside

grangemouth on the other hand has some security guards to operate the platicky barrier and 2 sets of fencing that will stop anyone who forgot to bring their snips. pretty pathetic and not really acceptable when you look at the potential consequences (buncefield was only a depot) of a serious problem

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Pointing out these security flaws in a public forum may not be the wisest thing you've done Scanny.

However, if it concerns you that much write a letter to your local county constabulary chief officer and your local MP.

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If he has noticed them without any inside information then no doubt others have as well. If they have not then I am not sure this is one of their ports of call in the internet search for likely targets!

Certainly 'loose lips sink ships' if you have specialist information on a potential target, but if you do not, and any security shortcomings are still obvious, then I would indeed suggest highlighting them to the authorities.

Rest assured that there are very skilled and experienced people assessing the risks to the UK every day on our behalf. They have had well over 40 years of experience in assymetric warfare on our shores after all!

I would suggest, however, that you need not lose too much sleep scanny. One might note that all the recent attacks have been on civilians in high density, and the methods have been unsophisticated at best. The transport network is, by necessity, easily accessible to pretty much everyone, and as such will always pose a relatively soft target for terrorists. Infrastructure such as oil plants and power stations are not only proportionately harder to access, they are much much harder to cause to catastrophically fail in a way that will result in any large scale loss of life, and no one site is vital to the day to day running of the UK. Basically they are not worthwhile targets for the level of terrorist we see operating in the UK at the moment.

Also bear in mind that Faslane is a different kettle of fish; it houses a number of military personel and their equipment, but even more sensitive is the classified information likely to be located there. These sorts of targets have the potential to attract an altogether different type of intruder.

Rats? They used to put cones around the mooring ropes to stop them getting on or off. I guess they never expected them to use the gangplank!

The weak point with all this security is the gate where the lawful entry and exit take place!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Semtex?, it normally works for me lol

then do us a favour : find a nice isolated place, put some on and

scanny has a point. google earth/local live have far too much detail of a big refinary near me. You can see detail of every pipe bigger than 3". you can see and measure all the war ships, you can see the bunkers, the number of lorries at a military port, you can see the lay out of ferry terminals and identify where tankers park.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Near Warrensburg, Missouri there is Wightman Airforce Base. If you look at this location on Google/LiveLocal you can see the runways with stealth bombers on them!

However, I'd like to see what happens to a terrorist who tries to approach them.

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Malcolm W.
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and you don't think this information was readily available to those with the ability to take out a refinery BEFORE google earth came around? Just where do you think they're getting their images from?

I can't help thinking that these recent attacks aren't Al Qaeda though - they just don't have the same feel...

It might just be me...

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

You're not on your own....

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

The precision organisation of 3 separate hijacks simultaneously contrasted to the ramshackle car bombs and incompetent execution make you wonder.

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Malcolm W.
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Quite.

Some how I think if these attacks had been orchistrated by the group behind 9/11 or 07/07 then the bombs wouldn't have 'failed'...

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And theyll do what exactly? They are too busy chasing down the real villians on the roads, and besides they dont usually react until its too late.

Jules

I don't think Fawley is a very good terrorist target. It might make a big bang but there are very few people to kill or injure and this is what has the shock value. Hence the cars outside the nightclub and the air terminal.

One refinery shut. A bit inconvenient but not a blow at the heart of the UK.

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Malcolm W.
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It seems that those behind the recent attacks were doctors working in our NHS.

I'm not sure what worries me most.

The fact that we have terrorists working as doctors or their appaling incompetancy!

Just goes to show how infiltrated our society is...

Plus my GP doesn't speak English, which means I can't go see him
I suppose he could be a terrorist?

I have to pop up A&E if I'm concerned about anything...

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Why the hell is he practicing if he can't speak to his patients?



They probably will do nothing but at least Scanny will know that they have been alerted.

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I s'pose it may be something to do with his ethnicity. He can't be sanctioned or anything...
I've requested in the past a list of english-speaking doctors from my local Health Authority, and he's listed on it!

Oh well, just gotta hope A&E stays open by me...

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This country is run by some of the most incompetant f**kwits known to man!