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Ok, BMW and Vectra drivers.

Happy now?

Stop being racist - lets not forget the SAABs and Volvos ( and of course the repmobile -- mondeo), and sitting with the windscreen higher than these - Discovery man.

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and fords/jags/toyotas/nissans/citroens/peugeots/etc etc etc etc (and the occasional arctic) ie anyone who thinks L3 is populated solely by BMWs or that only BMW drivers are terrorising their village either has that weird English "we can't forget the war even though it was 60 years ago" thing going on or is just trying to prove that they're terminally stupid.

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Actually - johnsher, it wasn't LUM- i said it -

I was saying that not all BMW drivers are idiots - some are , but thn in thr rais so are SAABS/vOLVOES/ MONDEOS AND DISCOVERIES.

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sorry, too much cutting and pasting. Fixed now.


yes I know... but you missed out quite a few others - like everything else on the road. The rest of the post wasn't aimed at you but you're pushing your luck by limiting your list

Ok - well - driving rain can reduice visibility even more than snow and fog if really really heavy..

Road surface can be greasy after a dry spell and this can take all road useres whether four, two wheeled and pedla powered by some element of surprise ..

Windows even with a heater can steam and add to poor visibility ..and this is dangrous even at a low speed. Just pull in where convenient and use a demister wash leather. Look in handbook - if you have the aor conditioner on - then this could affect the in-car heater's ability to demist the screens All models can be different too.

Bewildered - I urge you to read a post I made in which I made a very close reference to John Frankin;s Cycle Craft and a CTC news letter.


Basically I said as a cyclist I dress according to weather conditions before I set out. I like to dress to be seen and if I cut a ridiculous dash in yellow leggings teamed with an equally colourful top (my lurid green one never fails whatever the weather) then so what? I stand out from the crowd and am "original" and dedicated followers of fashion eventually follow my psychadelic leader

Plus in bad weather =- don't foprget to use them Lupines or whatever lighting you can afford. Bad weather means being seen and you have to be aware that for every driver like the Paul, the Swiss riff raff, most posters to this site, PH and other dedicated enthusiast sites - we are outnumbered at least 2:1 on average numptiness.

I try ... my colleagues try....to reign in these numpties and try to correct the errors. We do not always punish. We like to use some discretion and only punish via Penalty if we see this as a firmer disciplinary procedure...


I'd rather people be adivsed as to why their driving warranted some ticking off or worse combined withg lecture so that they can at least try to learn from mistakes and are given some tips as to improving skills.

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There are loads of ways that road users contribute to the difficulties they experience with others. It's quite a regular theme, which very much makes it a question worth asking.

Here are a couple of examples:

- A cyclist 'with their head down' in bad weather may wobble more.
- A cyclist 'with their head down' in bad weather may observe less.

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Actually - rain stings eyes und glasses tend to either steam up ... or it become a bit like trying to see without wipers to clear...

I never find cycling in heavy rain a pleasant experience. Und if there are potholes which become lakes

Perhaps all need to take care - we all need to allow that little more distance und space in wet conditions. Und if the rain ist so heavy that you cannot see like on Wednesday - it was bouncing und flooding - then perhaps all on road should [b] use dipped headlights und cyclists should use bike lights front und back [/i]

Und that high-viz vest all should keep in kit? At least it ist waterproof

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wobbling for experienced riders is normally moving a few inches off line - although for large potholes, grates etc it may be more. Given that motorists are supposed to be giving cyclists a gap of a car width this shouldn't be noticeable.
With the gaps left by a scarily large number of idiots out there this is certainly something that they should be thinking about (of course this is presuming that Mr/s Average-behind-the-wheel is capable of either independent thought or seeing beyond his/her bonnet). A good theme for a "Think!" ad?



yes, also something to consider but in the situations bewildered mentioned the cars were passing him not the other way around.

Audi's appear to be exempt!

I find that some drivers turn to nervous wrecks at the slightest drop of rain. Its almost as if they've never seen the stuff before.

I'm not a rep, but have the mileage profile of one, yes i may appear to 'press on regardless' but don't mistake that for a lassez faire attitude to the weather conditions. I concentrate more when it rains, I concentrate more when I drive at high speed.

Its those that appear to think that the rain is some sort of demonic prelude to armageddon we should fear.

Slightly off topic - but to my mind what is wrong with UK roads today - perhaps this bit by IG should be highlighted in the safer driving post



When we get a camera ( or operator ) to do this , welL then automation has evolved - till then --IG -- WE NEED more like you.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on