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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 07:59 
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Found this one.

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Good on him. :)

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I love the response from NCP:

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Tim Cowan from NCP said: "The way in which we train our attendants is totally brilliant.

"This is a high profile public service that involves a lot of liaison with the public so our staff are very highly trained in dealing with the public."


The word "fantasist" comes to mind. :lol:

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malcolmw wrote:
I love the response from NCP:

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Tim Cowan from NCP said: "The way in which we train our attendants is totally brilliant.

"This is a high profile public service that involves a lot of liaison with the public so our staff are very highly trained in dealing with the public."


The word "fantasist" comes to mind. :lol:

Odd, it was the word 'onanist' that sprang to mine.


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I dislike the mad parking enforcement as much as anyone else, but it's not the wardens that are the issue. Discretion goes out the window if you know you are going to recieve a bollocking for it later, and ultimately lose your job.


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If they had any self respect they wouldn't take the job in the first place. All IMHO obviously.


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Einion Yrth wrote:
If they had any self respect they wouldn't take the job in the first place. All IMHO obviously.


At least its a job and they are paying taxes, which is more then can be send for some work-shy slobs who have no intention of ever getting a job. When you have kids to feed and trying to keep a roof over your head most people can't afford to be choosy.

The wardens are not the people to vent our frustrations out on. If the person who slapped a ticket on you didn't do it, then somebody else would.


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Capri2.8i wrote:
The wardens are not the people to vent our frustrations out on. If the person who slapped a ticket on you didn't do it, then somebody else would.


I agree with Einion. People who choose to spend their days handing out misery are pretty much scum, and I hold each one personally responsible.

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Capri2.8i wrote:
The wardens are not the people to vent our frustrations out on. If the person who slapped a ticket on you didn't do it, then somebody else would.


I agree with Einion. People who choose to spend their days handing out misery are pretty much scum, and I hold each one personally responsible.

[This is a personal, private view, and not one that should be associated with the Safe Speed campaign]


It's associated with the campaign by the fact that you have posted it with the safespeed username. It may be prudent to have a separate username for posts in a private capacity - other boards I frequent sometimes have this for moderators.

Misery? A £30 fine, misery? Get real. Dumping your car on a pavement so people with wheelchairs or pushchairs can't get past doesn't cause as much - if not more - misery? Making it difficult for people to get into their own drives doesn't cause misery more real than the token £30 fine does?

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Capri2.8i wrote:
I dislike the mad parking enforcement as much as anyone else, but it's not the wardens that are the issue. Discretion goes out the window if you know you are going to recieve a bollocking for it later, and ultimately lose your job.


There was a news item not so long ago about the turnover in this job.The firms just could not keep staff and this was one reason given for it.

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Misery? A £30 fine, misery? Get real. Dumping your car on a pavement so people with wheelchairs or pushchairs can't get past doesn't cause as much - if not more - misery? Making it difficult for people to get into their own drives doesn't cause misery more real than the token £30 fine does?


I can understand if it’s a blatant parking offence, but when you here of some of the things people get parking tickets for - And £30.00 might not sound much to some, but it is to allot of people.

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SafeSpeed wrote:
[This is a personal, private view, and not one that should be associated with the Safe Speed campaign]

I think I can guess where that came from :hehe:


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Dixie wrote:
I can understand if it’s a blatant parking offence, but when you here of some of the things people get parking tickets for - And £30.00 might not sound much to some, but it is to allot of people.


compared to the cost of fuel (half a tank for my car, something like a third for my wife's bus), insurance, tax and the cost of the car in the first place, it's not a lot.

Compared to the extra couple of minutes and the pound or so it might cost to park somewhere else and avoid a ticket ... it's a large sum. So the time and money are well spent?

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quote="handy"]Misery? A £30 fine, misery? Get real. Dumping your car on a pavement so people with wheelchairs or pushchairs can't get past doesn't cause as much - if not more - misery? Making it difficult for people to get into their own drives doesn't cause misery more real than the token £30 fine does?[/quote]

The bit about the pavement, i agree, unless it's one of those streets where doing so makes the road safer (by widening the gap ) and still allowing wheel chair users access .

On the topic of drives - the resident has recieved planning permission, paid for a dropped kerb before recieving permission to drive over the kerb on to their property an a lot of times is removing a safety hazard.

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handy wrote:
Misery? A £30 fine, misery? Get real. Dumping your car on a pavement so people with wheelchairs or pushchairs can't get past doesn't cause as much - if not more - misery? Making it difficult for people to get into their own drives doesn't cause misery more real than the token £30 fine does?


IF tickets were only handed out for obstruction I would agree with you completely. These days that obviously is NOT the case.

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On the topic of drives - the resident has recieved planning permission, paid for a dropped kerb before recieving permission to drive over the kerb on to their property an a lot of times is removing a safety hazard.


I don't understand what you are saying with this?

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Misery? A £30 fine, misery? Get real. Dumping your car on a pavement so people with wheelchairs or pushchairs can't get past doesn't cause as much - if not more - misery? Making it difficult for people to get into their own drives doesn't cause misery more real than the token £30 fine does?


IF tickets were only handed out for obstruction I would agree with you completely. These days that obviously is NOT the case.

Where I live tickets for obstruction are exclusively, as far as I can tell, the realm of what few police there are left, the 'decriminalised' parking enforcement (i.e. extortion for being late back to a parking meter) is in the realm of the council - I've seen them walk straight past blatently illegal and dangerous parking to get to some poor bastard in a safe parking bay, who presumably overstayed his ticket by a tad - arseholes the lot of 'em.


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Regarding the news item

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"This is a high profile public service that involves a lot of liaison with the public so our staff are very highly trained in dealing with the public."


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Torbay Council, which has a contract with NCP for parking attendants, declined to comment.


I see the Council have the same training policy for their staff :D

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I agree with Einion. People who choose to spend their days handing out misery are pretty much scum, and I hold each one personally responsible.


But do you seriously believe that discriminating against people and targetting frustration regarding parking enforcement towards the wardens is actually going to achieve anything? Do you really believe its ever going to come to a point where the likes of NCP can't recruit? It simply will not happen so it seems utterly pointless to take any action against the rank and file wardens.


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Capri2.8i wrote:
SafeSpeed wrote:
I agree with Einion. People who choose to spend their days handing out misery are pretty much scum, and I hold each one personally responsible.


But do you seriously believe that discriminating against people and targetting frustration regarding parking enforcement towards the wardens is actually going to achieve anything? Do you really believe its ever going to come to a point where the likes of NCP can't recruit? It simply will not happen so it seems utterly pointless to take any action against the rank and file wardens.


I neither recommend nor condem such 'discrimination'. I don't expect it to make a significant difference. But hearing that it's happening gives me a nice warm feeling - that's about the full extent of it as far as I'm concerned.

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SafeSpeed wrote:
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Misery? A £30 fine, misery? Get real. Dumping your car on a pavement so people with wheelchairs or pushchairs can't get past doesn't cause as much - if not more - misery? Making it difficult for people to get into their own drives doesn't cause misery more real than the token £30 fine does?


IF tickets were only handed out for obstruction I would agree with you completely. These days that obviously is NOT the case.


100% agreement with you there Paul. parking restrictions etc and ticketing residents is not on. i am so grateful that i am now in a private car park with no restrictions around the area anyway. i even had one of my mates from here park his truck outside for the night. no problem at all.
in southampton, you cant even fit a car in most of the time

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