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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 00:51 
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Watched this tonight - absolutely superb. Brilliant SFX and make-up; beautifully written and well-acted. The statement at the end of the programme caused mine and my wife's jaws to drop:-

"The Sulphur Dioxide alone from the eruption caused the average global temperatures to drop by almost two degrees, long into the twentieth century...

Mrs MGBGT looked at me and said "Bloody Hell, you're not just a grumpy old man - it's true isn't it! Global warming is nothing to do with us!"

A 'Road To Damascus' moment for both of us!

Whilst the violence of the Krakatau explosion is legendary, the ejecta volume is not - Mt. St. Helens and Pinatubo ejected high percentages of the Krakatau yield and Anak-Krakatau (the second Krakatau vent - 'Son of Krakatau') is four times as sulphur-rich as the original vent. And it is growing in the same manner as its predecessor. There are also twenty times as many people living in the same environs as the original kill-zone...

Ten...nine...eight...:yikes:

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Mrs MGBGT looked at me and said "Bloody Hell, you're not just a grumpy old man...

I note with interest the interposition of the word "just" in that sentence. :lol:

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MGBGT wrote:
"The Sulphur Dioxide alone from the eruption caused the average global temperatures to drop by almost two degrees, long into the twentieth century...


And we're told that the 0.6 degree observed temperature rise since the start of the 20th century is down to anthripogenic global warming, and therefore we must either walk, cycle or use nonexistent and overpriced PT, or pay through the nose for our fuel and travel at snail's pace on barely adequate roads.

Something smells very fishy.

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MGBGT wrote:
"The Sulphur Dioxide alone from the eruption caused the average global temperatures to drop by almost two degrees, long into the twentieth century...


And we're told that the 0.6 degree observed temperature rise since the start of the 20th century is down to anthripogenic global warming, and therefore we must either walk, cycle or use nonexistent and overpriced PT, or pay through the nose for our fuel and travel at snail's pace on barely adequate roads.

Something smells very fishy.


Actually, somewhere between a 'Guiness fart' and a struck match (though ne'er the twain should meet...)

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MGBGT wrote:
Mrs MGBGT looked at me and said "Bloody Hell, you're not just a grumpy old man...

I note with interest the interposition of the word "just" in that sentence. :lol:


Thanks - I really appreciate you picking that one part of my carefully-written posting - chortle-chortle. Josh is a physicist married to a health professional who has no concept of anything bigger than the human body and cannot hold any global concept, save that which this utterly corrupt Government feeds her - until this progamme.
She has suddenly realised that we are paying 'carbon-tax' for global 're-warming' due to the accelerated level of volcanism during the last century.

If we could make that connection to every 'punter', there would be riots like this Country has never known...

This is not an ad hominem, JT, but I feel that this thread has a very heavy bearing on a large part of the reason that communities such as this have arisen and the greatest flaw in the basic premise of the 'green' movement that sets governments milking the 'cash-cow' that is the motorist...

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Please don't think that my flippant remark was intended in any way to detract from the thrust of the point you were making - which incidentally I agree with entirely.

Please try to think of my little humorous abberation as performing the oft-underestimated service of quietly bumping the thread back to the top of the list. A sort of host/parasite symbiotic relationaship you might say...

(Actually, whilst I agree with most of what you say I'm not quite so sure about the riots. I'm beginning to think that the general English reaction to a denouement of that sort would be along the lines of Tut, sigh, intake of breath, roll of eyes at yet-another-lie-from-Tony and then they'd lap up the next batch of promises and vote them back in next time.

I really do despair of this country sometimes. I know that politicians have - almost by definition - tended to be lying, scheming, self-interested smarmy shysters since time began, but this lot take it to new levels. If only there were a viable alternative on the horizon...)

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JT wrote:
I really do despair of this country sometimes. I know that politicians have - almost by definition - tended to be lying, scheming, self-interested smarmy shysters since time began, but this lot take it to new levels. If only there were a viable alternative on the horizon...)


Some of them are that, although some are sort of sincere and genuinely well-intentioned at the same time. What they also are, imo, - some of the sincerely well intentioned ones - is self-deluded. They and large parts of our 'establishment' seem to indulge in woolly logic and wishful thinking in place of the critical analysis that the job really needs.

I don't think this is a weakness only of politicians. It seems to me that there are many people who, presented with a mass of apparently conflicting data on an issue, will pick a conclusion that fits a predisposition then work backwards through the data, selecting the bits that support their conclusion and twisting or ignoring the rest. Even scientists are doing it.


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I don't think this is a weakness only of politicians. It seems to me that there are many people who, presented with a mass of apparently conflicting data on an issue, will pick a conclusion that fits a predisposition then work backwards through the data, selecting the bits that support their conclusion and twisting or ignoring the rest. Even scientists are doing it.


Indeed.

I found this on the BBC website.

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Late last year there were front page stories suggesting that the Gulf Stream might be weakening - possibly taking northern Europe into a new ice age.

The source of this was an article published in the highly respected journal, Nature.

In fact, this conclusion was questioned by other scientists working in the field.

The study was properly carried out, but the drop in strength was based on just two measurements taken since 1992 and was at odds with other available evidence.

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Yeah, sorry JT - I was in full 'Miserable Old Bastard' mode there, having just come from that tedious bloody 'Lings Cars' thread.

I utterly agree; we are too 'British' for our own good - lots of humphing and dirty looks, but remember to bring sugar-lumps for the Police horses...

The only way that rioting would spontaneously break out in this country is to announce the return of the Afternoon Interlude and the Midnight Closedown (with National Anthem) on the telly.

Bread and circuses, my friend. Bread and circuses.

By the by, it is a pleasure to read your posts; they are very efficiently-worded and your constructs make for entertaining reading. I hail a fellow carer for this rich language we communicate in! :thumbsup:

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