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More unmitigated presumption. I have a quiet bike - and have done for decades. I have not suffered from a SMIDSY incident either....


Then don't write it. You should say '...some drivers start to look in their mirrors..... '

And you are still making a presumption that the looking has anything to do with your generation of anti-social (and quite probably illegal) noise.

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Q. Are you a stupid fascist with limited reading skills or are you just a retard?

Nothing was 'twisted' - I was just quoting only EXACTLY what you have told us.

I never said all drivers moved over either - and if reading wasn't such an obvious problem for you, then you would see that I asked how you know that all the drivers who move over for you have heard your pathetic 'loud pipe'? Did you ask ALL of them?

Some people....

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Q. Are you a stupid fascist with limited reading skills or are you just a retard?

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

We can see you are that - so what is your point?

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Q. Are you a stupid fascist with limited reading skills or are you just a retard?

My point is [name deleted], read what you wrote in the quotes I have taken from you so far

[name removed by ]

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

I posted a question asking that how you knew that all the drivers that moved over for you heard you first?

Your answer? You started to back-peddle furiously over the use of 'all'.

'All' drivers certainly DO NOT hear you - but you presume some do and then go onto presume that this is somehow beneficial. I see it as just a way of trying to 'justify' your use of a probably illegal and certainly anti-social exhaust.

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Q. Are you a stupid fascist with limited reading skills or are you just a retard?

Who said anything about anybody moving over to start with? (apart from you of course)


My answer was to address you by your surname (which Paul removed) and point out that you were the one that highlighted the word "all", not me.
If anybody is in reverse gear here, it's you.


I'd say it's beneficial to me when they noticeably start scanning their mirrors for something they know is behind them, even if they can't see it immediately.


I'm not trying to justify the noise my bike makes & never have, it isn't high enough on the list of life's priorities.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

I did. It was moving the discussion on - as you did by mentioning 'a 4-1 Harris' in a thread about hazard lights on a bike in traffic.


Not at all. You are the one that made the ridiculous point '...why do all the cagers start looking in their door mirrors a good 8 - 10 metres before I even get alongside them ...'?

Q. Why do ALL the 'cagers' look in their mirrors?
A. ALL the 'cagers' don't - you are wrong.


Some may but you have no basis for believing that it is because you have a 4-1 Harris - after all M-S-M is still part of the Highway Code.

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Q. Are you a stupid fascist with limited reading skills or are you just a retard?

Helps to know the rules don't it? Oh how I love having a bike that was registered before 1983!

FJSRIDER since when did the majority of drivers follow the highway code? Most drive like they don't even know what mirrors are.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Aha, now we finally get the admission that you took something I said and turned it in to something else.


Erm, what is ridiculous about getting yourself noticed by other road users?


Why else would they start actively looking in their mirrors if they haven't heard anything?


As Sixy has stated, if you believe that the majority of drivers actually adhere to that, then you are living in a dream world.
These days you are lucky if the person in front can be arsed to switch the indicators on, let alone look in the mirror.



I love the Construction & Use Act

My Z1 is 1976 so I can get away with a fair bit. The old lady is even more fortunate in that her bike was first registered in 1968, so she can legally get away with running almost straight through pipes.

When I'm dead then the Z1 goes to my eldest.
£93 for fully comp insurance, home servicing is a piece of piss, and a bulletproof engine to go with it.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

What do you mean 'finally'? I've not suggested anything otherwise. Do you find you often have trouble with your reading comprehension?


You see? Trouble with your ability to understand simple written English again. The 'ridiculous point', that you appear to be going to pains to try to avoid, is nothing to do with 'getting yourself noticed' but that all 'cagers' do not start looking for you at all.


I don't think all drivers do practice the routines in the highway code all the time any more than all drivers hear your unpleasant exhaust noise in their cars - but it might go some why to explain why you have noticed some drivers look in their mirrors when you are approaching them.

Of course if you want to fantasize that it is your 'loud pipe' that makes the slightest bit of difference you carry on - but don't expect others to swallow facile statements without question.

All drivers do not hear you.

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Q. Are you a stupid fascist with limited reading skills or are you just a retard?

I don't think most fail to follow the H/C at all - they know it perfectly well - they just choose to not consider it. This also is not a problem as for the vast majority of time the vast majority of road users do not come into conflict with each other.

Occasionally a driver will misjudge their actions (or make a mistake, be distracted, whatever) and then there can be an incident - but only if you fail to predict these events. Which you will if you are driving (riding) in a similar vague-attempt-at-the-Highway-Code-systems too.

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Q. Are you a stupid fascist with limited reading skills or are you just a retard?

Do you have more than one factually incorrect jibe in your vocabulary, because that one is becoming a tad boring now [partial name deleted by request ].


You honestly think that an unexpected noise doesn't attract any sort of attention whatsoever?

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

takes me back to playground days.

Is one of your dads' bigger than the other's?

[pass the popcorn]

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Bollox. The vast majority of the road users I come into contact with on a daily basis haven't got a clue what's in the highway code.



Who said anything about a loud exhaust producing an unpleasant noise? Scooters sound unpleasant, whereas my bike sounds lovely.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Exactly Sixy.

Now would you like to conduct todays lesson on frequencies & harmonics vs the human ear, or shall I?

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

After you Prof.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Really? Don't you think there is a big difference between a few road users that you may occasionally notice making errors and 'vast majority of the road users'?

If I really thought the vast majority of the road users have no clue of the Highway Code I doubt I'd want to leave my house. Luckily though, you are wrong, and most drivers do know which side of the road to drive, follow the directions given by road signs and markings and stop at red lights. Most even know how to signal and most can park in marked bays.

That some drivers don't care to always do this does not mean they don't know the 'rules' - just that they may made a mistake of judgement rather than be too lazy to bother or perhaps sometimes there are drivers who are happy to risk getting caught and penalised if they do (or don't comprehend the consequences!).

But I'm capable of spotting other drivers and can make allowances for their occasional errors of judgement. Of course you may not be and so may see that every minute error in others driving is some intentional 'attack' on you? Then the problem is you not them - it is you. Because you too will make errors on the road and I'd wager that when you do you expect other road users to forgive you or do you flip them the finger and shout at them too?

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Q. Are you a stupid fascist with limited reading skills or are you just a retard?

English teacher yesterday, psychoanalyst today, what costume will you be wearing tomorrow Mr Ben?

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

When the f*ck did this become a personal attack on my driving ability?! Yeah of course I make the odd mistake, I'd like you to introduce me to someone who never does.

If you think that the majority of drivers know what they're doing and know the rules I invite you to drive here for a week. Then tell me that you believe that most people know the rules.

Oh and BTW personal attacks like that just show that your argument is completely flawed and you can't back up your opinions with fact. There's more than you can play the psychoanalyst.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.