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Guy's (your all male BTW),

Looked in about a year ago (almost to the day) and you're still all moaning!
Sheet, do you have a life outside of your beloved motorcars? It's very sad really.

Time to get real, a car is a penis extension for sad inadequate males. Two mates of mine, one has a 4wd Porsche Carrera the other an Aston Vanquish
V12, they moan because girls only comment about the colour. It's just a car!!!!!!!!!

Time to get over your obsession maybe? If you have a boring life and make up for it with your car then New Labour love you, you are just cash cow's. By all accounts to the tune of £120million a year! Priceless.

Dump the car as your main thing in life and chill-out, it WILL beat the anti-motorist lobby.

Why can you not see this? You will not beat them, ever. No amount of whinging and whining will overcome, unless you vote them out.

Your fooked.

NB. No I'm not a troll before you all start, just a (defeated) realist.

I was thinking "Tosser" actualy

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Speed camera policy Kills

Thanks for your analysis ged...................

I enjoy my cars because I enjoy machinery and motion. For the same reason I love flying aeroplanes.

I don't think anyone on this forum uses a car as a penis extension, but we do all share a common interest in motoring/cycling in general.

The vast majority of us actually have jobs you see, and for those of us living outside the CBD of major cities that means we need to transport ourselves from home to work and back again each day. Hence we're kinda forced into using cars.

You don't need to tell us we're cash cows, we already know that.

Rather than describing yourself as a defeated realist, I would class you as someone with no interest in cars/bikes/whatever (which is ok) and with nothing useful to contribute to the world in terms of road safety (which is also ok and very common).

What is not ok is the semi insulting presumptions you make about our characters, so I'd be most grateful if you think hard and try saying what you really mean without all the penis extension talk.

Thanks...

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And who loves you for taking "public" transport. The dozens of de-regulated bus operators or train companies making record profits. You are their cash cow.

I'll stick to the car. Its Still MUCH cheaper

If you are "defeated" it is because you are weak.

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Speed camera policy Kills

OK. I've just looked. I don't appear to have been issued with my penis. To whom should I address my complaint?

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Less Kodak, more Kojak.
In times of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

You come to think of it that's a pretty narrow minded view point.

Who are you to dictate what's fun and what's boring?

If it wasn't for people like us with an interest in technology and it's use we'd all be living in the arty-fartiest caves you ever imagined.

There's a good chance I'd rather die than live your "fun" life. I too shall stick with my car and other big toys thankyou....

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Jamie, I like machines and motion too, thats why I like squeezing into ABZ with it's 6001 ft rwy (full reverse and max autobrake!), great when it's wet/windy (not). You (WE/I) miss my point, if we don't give up on the 'Max Power' mag thing and 'Jordan' and cars in general we've had it.

Gordon Brown/PC Plod loves it.

I'm in riddle mode maybe, too much work/lack of sleep.

Cameras from April will not be yellow (alledgedly). Time to revolt.

BTW I have 3 bikes. 1000rr my fave.

I don't see it as being about "beloved motor cars" (or bikes).
It's about freedom of choice and democracy (which count for nothing with this Government).
And if we DID all give up our cars, the country would collapse, because it's only the billions of pounds raked in from the motorist every year (and NOT spent on rew roads, improvements, re-surfacing etc) that prop up pensions, dole money and every other penny spent or paid out.

biker, but it is! We are being totally shafted because we are compliant and just shrug our shoulders. If we gave up the accepted 'norm' and say no then the system would as you say collapse. We could then start again (sidecars!) instead of HANDING over £45b(?) year for £5b(?) 'investment'. NOT a very good return by any standard.

Stop the car glamour and it might work, maybe.

You mentioned democracy, we spread it but don't 'do it'.

So, it's Christmas morning, and I've got to be in work (eight miles away) at 06.00. Options are looking pretty limited........
I've looked at alternative ways in to work (in case it's too icy for the bike and the wife wants the car), not just on bank hols but generally, and it's a non-starter. The closest I could get was bus, another bus, then another bus, then yet another bus. Instead of my 20-minute drive/ride, it's over one-and-a half hours by public transport.
Democracy- demo crassus, "the people rule"- surely if we don't do it it's because we are prevented from doing so?

Hmm, granted, tricky.

'Democracy' - 'the people rule'. Sounds like Tony Bliar just before an election. 'We are here to serve you', when we get in however it will be the other way round. Twas ever thus.

It would take me 20-25 mins to drive to work but my personal mission is to deprive Brown/Blair/Brunstrom so I cycle despite having a car and many m/bikes. I won't convince many to join me 'in protest' I know but there are a few coming around to my way of thinking. It's my tax/fine protest, a lone figure but I will beat the system. After all they steal 50% of my earnings plus 17.5% VAT on anything I buy, not to mention 80% fuel 'duty' and points (insurance love it!).

Revolt or opt out?

Would love to opt out but given that I have already done 20,000 miles this year for work mostly it's just not viable. As for revolting, well have been told that I am pretty revolting at the best of times....

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Gordon Brown saying I got the country into it's current economic mess so I'll get us out of it is the same as Bomber Harris nipping over to Dresden and offering to repair a few windows.

Chaos, panic and disorder - my work here is done.

http://www.wildcrafts.co.uk

After my experience today upon discovering the plans to lower the speed limits in aylesbury, I have come to the conclusion that democracy is only fully available to the unemployed and the retired. For those of us who full time jobs and require a car (in case of unexpected overtime or whatever) we're generally too knackered to deal with local government at the end of a day (besides they all went home at 4PM anyway)

I eventually found the details of the public consultation they were doing thanks to a helpful post on this forum. Google couldn't find it and neither could the council's websites own search engine.

The information is presented in the least user friendly way possible, it is organised by proposed new limit, not by road. And the road descriptions are like "A41 between crappy side street 1 and little tiny backroad you've never heard of 2" if you want to see the maps of the area involved you have to get the printed version at a public library which is also closed before I get home from work (typically 8PM)

Of course if you're retired then you probably don't have anything better to do (and you don't have to pay the heating bill if you're at the library). This wouldn't be a problem if it wern't for the fact that it's well known that old people generally have very different opinions on certain subjects than young or middle aged people.

About the best most of us can manage between getting in to work and going to bed is having a moan on an internet forum about this.

At lease we have the guy who writes grumpyoldsod.com to fight our corner

Never mind short field Ged, you should try the hot and heavy I did in '98 from KPHX to EGLL with an OAT of 51 C with us almost on MTOW - EGT exceeding limits across the board, full flap - climb performance was somewhat akin to a B52 without water injection (i.e terrible)

Ged,

I find your point of view a bit difficult to understand. You condemn us for enjoying driving (specifically) cars but extol the virtues of motorcycles and aviation - at least I assume it's aviation as I don't understand all the acronyms.

There is no fundamental difference between these pursuits except personal choice. If I choose to pay the cost then I can do my chosen pursuit. It's nothing to do with boredom or sexual compensation, I just like motoring.

Oh, and by the way, they will be coming to restrict your hobbies next. Then I can post that I can't see why you persist with your phallic aircraft penetrating the sky as you will never beat the anti-flight lobby other than by stopping flying ...

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Not realy. He is just pulling our chain!

The advantage with message boards is that you can be whoever you want to be. Why else would he talk in riddles!

This is not a "serious" post. just a wind up and should be treated as such.

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Speed camera policy Kills

Bloody hell, that's news to me! Best tell the other half...

Like many on these fora, I drive because I don't have a choice - the closest bus route to my place of work is about 3 miles away and I'm damned if I'm cycling 25 miles each way. There are also a fair few contributers who drive for a living - we have a contingent of LGV drivers for instance. I don't drive a particularly exciting car and I don't get 'penis envy' (unsurprisingly although I still maintain that I actually have a bigger d*ck than a fair proportion of male drivers out there ), but I am seriously concerned with the quality of driving I see from the general populus on a daily basis. THAT is why I post here. Yes we are pro-car here but that's not the main focus of the group. We are pro SAFETY. Every single road user in the country (whether cyclist, bus-commuter, driver/biker or even pedestrian) is affected by poor driving standards / policy / road maintenace.

If there were no vehicles at all on the roads then your argument would stand, but as long as there are vehilces on the road then there will be things for us to 'moan' about. In my naivity I might just imagine that the powers that be read the site and actually take heed of what's being said. Truth is, its a place to vent one's spleen, but I can tell you for a fact that my own attitude / driving has improved since I've been contributing simply from being in contact with people with sensibe and realistic ideas about road use.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Outgroup homogeneity bias -'They're all the same those safe speeders...' Well we aren't, its as resoundingly simple as that. Many different opinions, and more than one gender too.

Moaning, not really, I'm genuinely concerned about two things, road safety and the disproportionately harsh punishments handed out to drivers who may have broken 'the law' but may not have done anyone any harm. I'm often in favour of legislating where the greatest good can be done for the greatest number, (not all here agree) as I work for the NHS and have a reasonable hold on the various stats and initiatives to acheive those aims. But the powers that be often try to short cut to a societal benefit and sometimes those short cuts don't deliver the benefits they promise. In my opinion the govt has got so caught up in trying to modify behaviour (sometimes rightly IMO) its forgotten that driving isn't a behaviour, its a skill. This is pretty dangerous.



Different people buy different cars for different reasons. As I understand it, some women even buy and drive cars these days. I drive a boring grey diesel VW Golf and my wife drives an Alfa Romeo. Analyse that Sigmund.



My VW Golf is officially the most boring thing in my life. My bum hurts with the mileage I have to do for work. But I have a beautiful baby daughter and wife that I can't wait to get back home for each day. I love being outside and walking. But I still care about road safety and I still worry about getting a driving ban & being unable to pay the mortgage through a mis-calibrated/misused camera. Especially as they aren't making much difference to real-world road safety risks.



You're quite right, the forum may not change the world, but the Safe Speed movement as a whole (through Paul's determination and dilligence) has acheived more than you give it credit for...

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"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."

I get your sarcasm, Ged, and I completely understand your feelings of frustration in the face of Labour's stranglehold.

You must understand, though, that they will not stop at car ownership. Freedom to travel is is just the start of what they plan to take away from us.

PLENTY has hapenned in the last year. And all of it is bad.

Since this time last year, we've had a new press release from the Government almost every week which involves some sort of attack on personal liberty.

ID Cards and the National Identity database are looking inevitable now, as is blanket tracking and logging of the movement of all vehicles using ANPR, the DVLA has started selling peoples' personal information to criminal clamping cutsomers and a new bill is being put through that will allow Labour ministers to implement new laws on a whim. Meanwhile the Camera partnerships continue to enjoy "carte blanche" to do whatever they like, without having to provide a scrap of evidence that what they're doing benefits society.

The last 12 months will go down in history as this Country's first steps towards becoming a totalitarian socialist regime. You'd better believe it.

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