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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 231900.htm
also http://www.physorg.com/news11017.html

More failure to addre RTTM

"In the UK, for example, the installation of speed cameras, roundabouts (traffic circles) and other measures in the 1990s reduced the number of road deaths by 33.9%. The reduction of road deaths was similarly high in other countries where speed limits were reduced. Sweden experienced a 21% drop in fatal crashes, while the figure in Denmark dropped by 24%. In Victoria Australia, road death tolls have fallen by some 50% in the last 15 years. In Queensland, Australia, 2,500 speed cameras were introduced between 1997 and 2001, resulting in a 31% drop in fatal crashes.

The researchers found that following the introduction of speed cameras in the UK, the fall in case fatality -- the percentage of injured who are killed -- accounted entirely for the fall in road deaths. The authors ruled out an array of other suspect causes for the UK-US difference, including SUV's, trends in seat belt use, emergency care, and in vehicle-miles traveled. . "

Study indicates pigs could fly...

if they had wings.

Are they claiming that air bags, traction control, abs, improved tyre technology, better structural integrity, heated windscreens, improved lighting, better instrumentation, improved seating and ergonomics and all the other vehicle engineering improvements have not contributed to any casualty reductions whatsoever?
Crash survivability of modern vehicles is so much better than even 15 years ago, or even 10 years.
More spin, lies and obfuscation in the name of, er, what exactly?

I remember a test on motoring program a few years back where 2 Renault Espace's were crashed together (offset front).

The two cars were a fairly new model and a previous generation one.

In the newer car the airbag didnt even trigger and the passenger cell was intact. With the older car the drivers door couldnt be opened and the "expert" comented that would not be any rush to get the driver out as he would have ben dead.

Funnily enough both cars impacted each other at exactly the same speed.

Perhaps if the govenment were really interested in saving lives they should offer incentives for us to replace older cars with new ones.

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Nick

I just emailed the researchers of the study politely pointing that out, I won't hold my breath.....

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewt ... 8&start=40

Now if cameras do curb deaths,why are two counties to research ways of making a "killer junction" safe , when cameras have failed to do that - Warks and Leics councillors say that ---best bit of anti scam i've seem for a long time.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Following on from my last post

Here’s the reply from Elihu:

I have provided his attachments for all to view (right click and save as):

http://www.geocities.com/supraman2954/U ... -final.pdf

http://www.geocities.com/supraman2954/j ... hcolor.doc

Comments?

do they think that people will believe them just because they use nice, big scientific sounding words?


errr, nothing happened other than a fat revenue stream for the governments concerned.

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewt ... 8&start=40


A major chance to prove that this is a lot of manure.


How many accidents since intriduction of cameras at Redgate .

Proof positive that camears don't make roads safer - on a plate direct from Highways Agency - i'll makeyou some sauce if you like - but this is the first break in the chain.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Do you think that you could email them and ask them if it would be possible to reply in English?

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

OH MY GOD!

Where on EARTH do they find these people?

They have the dates wrong. The word doc shows the big reductions in road risks on dates BEFORE there was even a SINGLE speed camera on UK or French roads (November 2004). The PDf say UK speed cameras were introduced in 1990. WRONG. Trials in 1992. Introduced in 1993.

Garbage. Just garbage.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

But, of course - 2 pratnerships can't be wrong - find an alternative - WHOA, WHY - could they be wrong??

Good PR FOR SS

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Will you pass me his email address please?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

To be fair, he is an Israeli!

PMed

Even then there were only a few cameras, not enough to make any significant difference nationally - not even for the next few years!

Granted... But it reads like an undergrad Sociology thesis!

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"Politicians are the same the world over... We build bridges where there aren't any rivers." - Nikita Kruschev

Yet again, in a so called scientific paper, there is no attempt to explain how speed cameras/speed enforcement had this miraculous effect.

Not sure what's to be gained by communicating with them. It's quite obvious that the conclusion was pre-conceived and they worked backwards from it.

Looks like 'funny business' to me. See this graph from the report (note that the 1999 datapoint is in the 1998.5 position and so on):



With speed cameras trialled in 1992,and introduced in 1993, it'd be reasonable to expect them to have 'little effect' before 1994. So we really should be interested in the period 1994 to 2004:



But, oh look, the trend for that period does not suit their theory. Now why didn't they add some later data to their graphs and tables? I wonder? They can't claim the paper was finished 'years ago' because there are various 2005 references.

[note: I've graphed: (all fatalities) / (all injuries); they just did it for car occupants. It doesn't seem to make any difference, and I happened to have a spreadsheet with most of the data already.]

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

I can't say I've ever studied it in great detail but everything I've read about the US states that raised their speed limits has said that there was a corresponding reduction in accidents. Is that the case or not?