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shop net, radio net store net different systems all recording all monitoring, say you get a shoplifter in a high street store mr shop CCTV monitors radiosthrough the network

someone said about the london bombers yes the familys reported the men missing but, cameras picked them up on the tube at the station on the bus all be it to late but vitalfor inteligence gathering

someone said about the london bombers yes the familys reported the men missing but, cameras picked them up on the tube at the station on the bus all be it to late but vitalfor inteligence gathering

Excuse me - but if we give up our essential freedoms because of terrorists then the terrorists have truely won. I won't give up. I won't give in. We shall never surrender.

For discussion: what if the numberplates were upside-down?

I'd bet a pound to a penny that ANPR couldn't cope.

Reading characters upside down is really easy.

Also in a previous thread the comment that the DVLA Insurance, MOT and TAX database had 33% inaccuracies...i'd love to know where that comes from, because if you mot, insure or tax your car the details are updated immediately. the only error there can be is previous keeper details for sales and sorn errors.

Thousands of law-abiding motorists could lose their vehicles because of inaccurate new police camera checks.
The cameras are being used as part of a campaign launched earlier this month to clear the roads of 'rogue' drivers.

They check number plates against a computer database of those without insurance, tax or MoT.

But more than half the information held by one of the system's main computers is wrong, according to details disclosed by Ministers.

The accuracy of the details held by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency is only 40 per cent, they admitted.

And police computers used with the automatic number plate recognition technology (ANPR) are also unreliable.

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The Police National Computer's accuracy is 79 per cent and local police forces' databases are barely better at 83 per cent.

The glitches mean there is a high risk that drivers will be identified by the computers as among the millions without insurance even if they are fully paid up.

With police about to get new powers as part of the crackdown to seize the cars of 'rogue' drivers and go on to destroy or sell them, there is concern that many drivers face severe punishment for doing no wrong.

Widespread clamping

The Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer also wants to introduce a system of widespread clamping to immobilise the vehicles.

Motoring organisations called for a halt to the use of the cameras until the computer problems are resolved.

Mark McArthur-Christie, of the Association of British Drivers, said: "Uninsured drivers need to be taken off the road. But the new net is very fine mesh and it will catch a lot of people.

"Some people will be stopped because the system says they have no insurance. If they do not have their documents with them, their cars will be taken away.

"People are going to find themselves having to go everywhere with insurance papers. This system risks causing a great deal of resentment.

"The cameras should not be used until the system is ready. The Government must wait."

Liberal Democrat transport spokesman Tom Brake said: "This is an alarming prospect. Honest motorists may find themselves summonsed for offences they have not committed.

"We need to find out the exact nature of the inaccuracies and why they are there. If things are going wrong we need to know if the DVLA is to blame."

The cameras, which are in use in the West Midlands, Yorkshire, Merseyside and Manchester, can read 3,000 number plates an hour on cars moving at under 100mph. Concerns have already been raised that the cameras themselves are inaccurate, especially with dirty or damaged plates.

In one pilot scheme, more than one in five readings was wrong. Paul Goggins, the Home Office Minister who revealed the figures in a written answer to a parliamentary questions, said: "The Home Office is working closely with the Department for Transport to provide a method for electronically transferring data from the DVLA to police so that information exchange is more timely and accurate."

He said trial runs "concluded that ANPR is one of the most effective technologies currently available to the police", adding: "It has had an impact on crime at all levels and has also proved effective in intelligence gathering and post-incident investigation.

"Dedicated police intercept officers in 23 forces using ANPR technology during trials achieved a nine-fold increase in their average arrest rate."

The number of uninsured drivers is estimated at between 1.4million and five million. Most are young and poor and many are migrants or asylum seekers, often driving deathtrap vehicles. Claims against uninsured drivers cost £500million a year, which adds £30 to the insurance premium of the average law-abiding motorist.

... but if you are a law abiding citizen, with nothing to hide then you should not have to worry.

michlo "but if you are a law abiding citizen, with nothing to hide then you should not have to worry".

...... as most newspapers are keen to point out when miscarriages of justice occur, i havent seen anyone who has has their car wronlgy siezed on the road for being either un-insured, no mot or untaxed, because as i said, the vehicle details have to be verified before a siezure can occur, because the police, dvla, customs etc cannot afford to be wron.

the police, dvla, customs etc cannot afford to be wrong.

I don't object in any way to the idea of UK ID cards, i already carry 2 ID's for work as it is.