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Most i've ever seen has been 3 cars , two bikes ---trouble is with all the marvelous "safety" cameras , they need to pull in resources from all over the county to man one van, and if there's problems on the motorway it all goes to pot.Imagine the fun the press would have

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

The concern in this thread is about the 'network ANPR' and history database.

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Paul Smith
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Where in the legislation specifying the minute detail of fonts, the border around the plate etc etc etc is there a requirement to install the plate horizontally ? So it appears to me it could be upside down or turned through 90 deg

Would the police give you a chance to correct it any way.

I am sure it has been on some programs they stop a car, ie blown bulb etc. and tell you to sort it out within a few days and you have to prove you have done as they ask. Its called discretion.

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back to the old saying if you got nothing to hide why worry

on that note i'd better get a tv license the detector vans are out next week

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One extra worry with ANPR systems is the failure rate and the mis-read rate.

My friend recieved a ticket in dorset where another number plate was mis read as bs53abc when it was actually bz53abc. This was human error. However, ANPR does not record the numbers in an image if there is no curent interest in that number. If ANPR just stores a mis-read in text there is no way to double check the number. so some one trawling for your number plate may report bs53abc as visiting the crime scene on the day in history concerned, but there is no secondary check. I believe the congestion charge read rate is less than 80%. Meaning that the real criminal may not be recorded even if he did not disguise his registration.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Have you seen the Flim enemy of the state?
I belive he had nothing to hide?

I have nothing to hide, you know I have nothing to hide why spy on me?
I belive these systems can not be trusted.
We at the moment live in a culture of unnessary fear, terroists tend to destory the system from within.
I belive the london bombers were all in england LEGALY therefore could have passports and IDs.

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Although we may consider ourselves lawful, there are many everyday activities that are actually illegal. The authorities do not currently enforce these laws, but given the campaign to make important what can be measured over what is truly significant in regard to motoring safety, do you REALLY trust the government to continue to turn a blind eye to offences such as:

- Being drunk in a public place (drunk in the future defined as over 0.05 BAC ie drink-drive limit). So stumbling home from the pub after 2 full pints would be an offence, detectable on the burgeoning plague of CCTV cameras in conjunction with RFID cards so that NIPs can be sent directly to the criminal's home. All they have to do is watch you go into the pub, check against your Oyster electronic cash record for number of drinks purchased and detect you leaving later..

- At the pub a few locals brought their guitars and played some music. In many places (such as my current home city of ****, Australia) this is illegal unless the premises have a special licence for live music and associated safety equipment. Result: Fines for the pub, and possibly the locals with the instruments.

- As you leave, you and your partner bump into a couple of friends on the street corner and stop for a quick chat. According to the criminal justice act, you have collectively committed offences pertaining to public gatherings without first obtaining written permission from the police and council. A handful of further FPTs are dispatched. You get out a piece of paper to write down a phone number but the wind catches it, and it blows down the street. Despite attempting to recover it, the paper lands out of reach and the litter lout will soon receive a further fine.

- On your way home, you may be spotted using paths that are NOT actually public right of way as you may have thought, or deviating from the true footway due to e.g. mud: Tresspass, amongst other offences.

- You return to your house, in which the leaking windows were recently double-glazed. Though you do not yet know it, low flying aircraft have photographed the changes and a prosecution for tax evasion is in the pipeline since you did not report the increase in the value of your property.

I kid you not we each commit offences every day. Again in Melbourne, it is illegal to work on your domestic wiring without booking a professional inspection. (The government runs TV adverts warning about the dangers of DIY). Home car repairs are almost entirely illegal, as is the use of aftermarket parts. Picking up junk left for street collection is illegal. Jaywalking is illegal, and strictly enforced. Using cameras (including phone cameras) is similarly outlawed, where the public may be identified if caught in shot. A few months ago the city ordained a tax on private car parking spaces (any sufficiently large space connected to the street) and authorised a team of inspectors to search the streets for properties with undeclared open spaces. Finally, they have amended the law to allow the council to forcibly remove "graffiti" even if you own the property and want it there (a mural, in your opinion?)

Who *isn't* criminal?
dave

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Well Johno,

It's obvious isn't it - someone who has a liitle too many one night must be prone to alcohol abuse. Best ban him before he kills a child.

Davidra,

Looks like I can cross Australia off my list of places to emigrate to. I assume that out in the bush, all this doesn't apply.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Yep, ONE response car ( or even 3 or 4) trying to flag down 30-40 cars driving past in close , but legal, formation, albeit with upside down number plates on the front.

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ok then back to normality

due to your stance against being surveyed by cameras, i do hope you boycott all establishments where BB is watching asda, tesco, sainsburys , b & q, comet currys, petrol stations, service stations, many public houses etc etc

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The queation is the use of those tapes and the length of time that they are kept.

I would suspect that as those tapes are private property big brother would have problems getting hold of them without legal reasons, and most establishments keep a set of tapes for weekly rotation .
What would be more educational would be if the partnerships were forced to have one van monitored on tape for a period, with the operator giving a commentary as to why this car or that lorry had been targeted and their reasons for thinking that the limit was being breached.(Always supposing it was done by someone whose opinion counted,and was entitled to form an opinion)

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

No. Not even slightly. I sympathise with any organisation that feels the need to 'keep an eye on' its own property.

I object in the strongest possible terms to the state spying on its honest citizens.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

If all they did was watch for crimes and act when one was in progress, I would be fine with it.

Unfortunately, the new plan is to log people's movements and record a long history of them. This will then be subjected to 'interpretation' via a data dredge, to see if anybody's movement suggests criminal activity.

The problem with this kind of thing is that no-one really knows what the signal to noise ratio is. Even if a criminal 'correlation' against someone is found, and the odds of this occuring by chance are stated as being a cool million to one against, there are 60 million people in this country so we should expect 60 such 'hits' just by chance.

This is pretty much what happened to Sally Clark. Two of her children died of natural causes. The odds of this were stated by the so called expert as being 72 million to one against. She was charged with murder, and convicted: no other evidence at all. Of course she has now been cleared, but only after a couple of years in prison.

but that is already done i always talk to myself during enforecment, the main problem is i always end up arguing with myself

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The BIG difference is that the CCTV cameras you list are not linked to a national "spying system". They are free standing and not interconnected to form the BB. they are only viewed when there is a good reason.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.