Safe Speed Forums

No doubt I will.
The one thing we both agree on is why you're there, i.e. to nick people who are guilty of speeding regardless, with road safety not entering into it.

I personally can see the logic in CamOp filming the emergency vehicles and not pulling the trigger. If I were in his position I'd do the same. Depending on the speeds and distances it is probable that the vehicle and its propensity to speed is noted prior to the blues (the two-tone is these days used much less frequently - in my experience only when approaching or stuck in traffic or at a junction).

That is the most stupid thing I have read today (and i have been marking my pupils work )


They have those flashing light's on because they need to get some where quickly(ie because people may die). Most of the public understand this, this is why they move out of the way. They don't think, "thats not fair, what right do they have to drive fast!!"

If I drive over limit fine me!!!
These people are tring to save lives, let them do their job .

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and my view, my role is to enforce the speed limit at certain locations (accident spots / residential concern sites), sites that are published in the media, areas that are signposted as camera sites, parking a highly visible ford transit for up to 3 hours,

i do however believe that motorways and dual carraigeways should not be enforced, but until there is a change in the law,

but my Sgt deploys me wherever is needed

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no, your role is to enforce the speed limit at locations where the majority of people are exceeding it in order to ensure enough income is generated to pay your wage. If you enforced where there was actually a problem with excessive speed above the limit you'd be out of a job in no time.

change the record for once will you

i will state again, how can i physically make a driver exceed the speed limit,

at a site i could have say a thousand vehicles pass in say a 3 hour period how many are above the limit quite a few, how many above our prosecution threshold not many

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The rules for camera placement sends you to places where it is safe to speed.

I know I've posted this link for you before: http://www.safespeed.org.uk/rules.html

As far as I know you haven't commented on it. Have you understood the problem? Apart from 15% of camera hours (complaint sites) your are not allowed to trap motorists where it is dangerous to exceed the speed limit.

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indeed, if he set up shop in a residential area he might only ping one car every few hours, if that. Hardly 'worth' his while is it? Despite the fact that that one car is probably far more dangerous than the hundreds he is currently persecuting.

IMO
example 1 - the left hand bend appears a bit sharp, neverthe less an open road, just saw it is a 30mph, is it a long road ? whats the accident history. by just looking at the road the 85% percentile will no doubt be high no visible repeaters, what signage tells the motorist its a 30mph

example 2 - is this place near Peranporth Cornwall seems familiar, no pavement narrow street, pedestrians i doubt very much if a vehicle couldget above 15mph with people / traffic back and for

two totaly different scenarios example 1 without knowing the full facts i cannot really see why it is 30mph if its an accident blackspot 50mph is understanable but 30!!, example 2 candidate for 20mph high season if its the place im thinking of

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100% right john, Ianh posted somewhere in here that he was never set targets only the amount of time spent at the site, if you will not take my word for it take his

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I believe you, that's why the sites are monitored extensively before you're sent there. Gotta make sure the money keeps rolling in.

Gizmo, you should send that to the Campaign Against Political Correctness. They would absolutely love it.

http://www.capc.co.uk/

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If the street lights weren't there, it would become 70mph and become a more dangerous (unlit) road.

None, they are expected to know this because of the street lights.

The 50 mph signs can be seen in the distance - but this whole road was originally NSL, and the 30 limit (which in theory is there to protect a pedestrian crossing) is way over the top. A much shorter 40 would suffice.

AFAIK the police have never done intensive enforcement of the 30, which is fortunate as virtually nobody abides by it.

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

if I understand it correctly - camera opp is instructed to film all traffic when casing a location. To demonstrate that he/she does not discriminate.

If this is true, then is cameras opp not using the camera to form the primary opinion speed?

If this is so, then I believe ALL of his/her prosecutions are fatally flawed as there is no offence to answer.

the law clearly states an officer must form the primary opinion of speed before using a speed measuring device to corroborate their opinion. By filming everyone - this is clearly not occuring.

if you are parked at the side of a 30mph road, then obviously both approaching and departing traffic is filmed, i only pull the trigger if i believe the vehicle is over the speed limit how is the opinion formed departing traffic engine noise on going past the van, visual observation on approaching traffic

i honestly wonder if anyone has actualy seen the equipment working sometimes

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Is a civilian operator allowed to form a 'prior opinion'?

no i am not allowed to form a prior opinion, i form an opinion prior to pulling the trigger

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Are you telling us that you can judge the speed of a vehicle just from the engine noise, without even knowing what gear its in?

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