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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 15:07 
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INDEPENDENT SURVEY REVEALS SUPPORT FOR SAFETY CAMERAS IS GROWING

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18 August 2005
Results of an independent survey today reveal that 83% of Dorset's residents support the use of safety cameras.

The survey of 1000 people in Dorset was carried out in July and August by independent survey company Newsquest Dorset Distribution & Leaflets Services. The results clearly demonstrate that support for the use of safety cameras as a means of reducing deaths and serious injuries on Dorset's roads is growing.

Pat Garrett, Head of Fixed Penalties for Dorset Police and the Dorset Safety Camera Partnership (DSCP) Project Manager comments: "These results show that all the hard work conducted by the DSCP is paying off and we are getting our message to the people of Dorset."

Other key results from the survey show that:
§ 75% of respondents agreed that the primary aim of safety cameras is to save lives
§ 89% believe that complying with speed limits will reduce injuries and deaths on our roads
§ 70% agreed that fewer accidents are likely to occur on roads where cameras are installed

Pat Garrett said: "The survey was conducted amongst a sample of 1,000 so the results are a true reflection of what the people of Dorset think. They will not make us complacent but do give us the encouragement to continue with our ultimate aim of reducing deaths and serious injuries by 40% by the year 2010."

He continues: "We will now conduct further analysis of the results to help us develop our programme of Enforcement, Engineering and Education to meet our goals and ensure the people of Dorset live in a safer community.

"This survey gives us the support we need to work together as a community to achieve our main objective, which is to put an end to the misery that is caused as a result of excessive and inappropriate speed."


For further information, please contact Nikki Cope or Sarah Townsend on 01425 472330 or email nikki@mckennatownsendpr.com


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The survey
The survey was carried out on behalf of the Dorset Safety Camera Partnership by independent survey company Newsquest Dorset Distribution & Leaflets Services. 1,000 street interviews were conducted across Dorset in Bournemouth, Poole, Blandford, Bridport, Christchurch, Dorchester, Ferndown, Shaftesbury, Sherborne and Weymouth.

Both standard attitudinal questions set by the Department for Transport and questions relating to general awareness of the Dorset Safety Camera Partnership and its aims and objectives were included in the survey. The Department for Transport requests that all Safety Camera Partnerships across the country ask for views on the use of safety cameras and it then compares the results nationally in order to gain a national indication of perceptions.


Dorset Safety Camera Partnership
The Dorset Safety Camera Partnership (DSCP) constitutes a partnership between Dorset County Council, Borough of Poole Council, Bournemouth Borough Council, Dorset Police, Dorset & Somerset Strategic Health Authority, Highways Agency, Her Majesty's Courts Service and the Crown Prosecution Service.

The Partnership, through a combination of measures including education, engineering and enforcement, is working together to reduce the number of people who are killed or seriously injured on Dorset roads, as a consequence of both excess and inappropriate speed. It is responsible for the operation and maintenance of fixed site, mobile and red-light junction cameras throughout Dorset.
For further information please contact the Public Relations Office at info@dorsetsafetycameras.org.uk


They never asked me!
Funny how I've never met any of this 83%...

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Its amaizing what results you get when you stand outside age concern with a clipboard... :roll:

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§ 70% agreed that fewer accidents are likely to occur on roads where cameras are installed


How can you agree with something you know nothing about.

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"This survey gives us the support we need to work together as a community to achieve our main objective, which is to put an end to the misery that is caused as a result of excessive and inappropriate speed."


So speed cameras do that do they..........news to me

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If speed cameras were effective in reducing accidents then they wouldn't have to resort to opinion polls, simply the accident stats.

If the overwhelming majority of the population agree with them then why to the majority of motorists admit to exceeding the limits?

Why are camera units allowed to spend public money on opinion polls in the first place? how do they fit into their remit?


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§ 75% of respondents agreed that the primary aim of safety cameras is to save lives

Looks like the usual leading question. Obviously the aim is to save lives - the sticking point is whether they're actually any good at it. What the scamerati should be very concerned about is the implication that a quarter of those asked believe the primary aim of cameras is not to save lives. At a guess I'd say that the 25% who don't agree probably believe the real purpose is to raise revenue (though I wouldn't agree with them on that). I think the scamerati have got a real PR problem if they can't get close to 100% positive response on that question.

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Must be lovely to live in Dorset, nice and quiet if only 1000 people live there, hardly a representative number questioned.
Now, if they questioned 1000 people in every town, perhaps they would be on to putting out better information, but, thats unlikely to happen.

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§ 70% agreed that fewer accidents are likely to occur on roads where cameras are installed


How can you agree with something you know nothing about.


Yeah, thats exactly what I thought. It would only get close to representing reality if it read..

The gut reaction of 70% was that fewer accidents are likely to occur on orads where cameras are installed.


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civil engineer wrote:
Why are camera units allowed to spend public money on opinion polls in the first place? how do they fit into their remit?


Could this be turned into a Freedom of Information request?

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This is like when they put speed humps on the road my Mum lives on - when she complained they told her everyone they asked was in favour of them. Turned out they'd only asked people who'd written in to complain about traffic speeds along the road!


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Amazing things Polls....

When they show a Government to be behind in the run-up to an election, they "mean nothing".

When they support a Policy that fleeces the Public, suddenly they are gospel truth..

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civil engineer wrote:
Why are camera units allowed to spend public money on opinion polls in the first place? how do they fit into their remit?

It is part of the operating conditions that they MUST conduct opinion polls regularly to see how they are viewed by the public. There are a fixed set of questions that must be asked (they can add more), Paul has a page examining them, they are very biased in the way they are phrased.

I am also sceptical of the "street interview" methodology - were the samples weighted for age and occupation? I go into town perhaps once a week and regularly tell the market researchers to get stuffed.

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How they are viewed by the public is irrelevent.

They either work or they don't, simple as that.


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The poll questions should be published alongside the poll results. That way we'd get to understand the results a damn sight better.


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The West Midlands SCP have an online poll - one question at a time, but from the previous polls I don't think they are quite getting the answers that they want!

http://www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/

Now maybe their poll results reflect a more knowledgeable section of population, or just a more hostile one, but the answers are quite different.

It is a badly implemented poll though, because it allows you to use the back button and then vote again, and again, and again!


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Rewolf wrote:
The West Midlands SCP have an online poll - one question at a time, but from the previous polls I don't think they are quite getting the answers that they want!

http://www.wmsafetycameras.co.uk/

Now maybe their poll results reflect a more knowledgeable section of population, or just a more hostile one, but the answers are quite different.

It is a badly implemented poll though, because it allows you to use the back button and then vote again, and again, and again!
Interesting poll:

Jul 2005 : Fewer accidents are likely to happen on roads where speed cameras are installed ?
Yes 39%
No 61%
Poll size 545

Something went wrong... :clap1:


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Even though they highlight the yes button

62% say no - gotta be worth a Press Release.

Look at the history too:

71% think cameras are about making money (size 2512)


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70% now say No

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It is a badly implemented poll though, because it allows you to use the back button and then vote again, and again, and again!


It's actually worse than that - just hit the refresh button!!

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Nice tip!

Actually wrote a little self-posting page to hit a Speed Camera survey before - might have been on the BBC site. It sent about 15 votes per second, and the survey result was 99.9% against, but you do have to be a bit more careful than that, because any analysis of the web log will reveal a massive number from the same IP address, and the survey should be voided. I suppose the real trick is then to incorporate the random use of anonymous proxy servers, so that they look like votes from a lot of different people.


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camera operator wrote:
when it comes to opinion polls, for or against whoever conducts the poll can manipulate the reponse to suit their own need.


Good to see that you're admitting that. Will you add a disclaimer to that effect to any "Public Opinion" claims on your website?


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I recommend the classic (over 50 years old) book "how to lie with statistics" - it's cheap, excellently written, and alerts you to all sorts of cunning ideas...


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