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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:38 
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This may actually be a good idea for us to get behind.

Surly if the revenue from speeding fines is put into charities like this then its less money for the pratnerships to play with.

The pratnerships and government couldnt complain, it would look bad on them to stop money for charities.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:42 
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Common sense wrote:
Surly if the revenue from speeding fines is put into charities like this then its less money for the pratnerships to play with.


no, no, no, no

If that happens there will be more pressure on SCPs to raise money.

Don't forget it is a nett-off system. They deduct their expences from fines. If money is running tight they "harvest" more fines from iffy sites.

Don't give them a chance to justify the money making scam.

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But surly they are already aiming to getting the maximum of cash now arent they? Would it get any worse.

If they wanted to whats stopping them from relaxing the rules on camera positioning tomorrow to have more cameras.

Surly having their funds tied up for other things is a good thing.

Or perhaps I am just being naive.


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This request for funding is fundamentally wrong. Our object is to improve road safety and not fund worthy causes (which in any event should be paid for by the Government if they are such good ideas).

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:21 
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When the speed camera programme collapses, as it surely must, we wouldn't want air ambulance services to also collapse would we?

Neither would we want folk to claim that we need speed cameras to support air ambulances.

For once (and I mean for once) I agree with the partnership. :yikes:

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malcolmw wrote:
This request for funding is fundamentally wrong. Our object is to improve road safety and not fund worthy causes.


I agree. This completely subverts the point. While it would be a gross admission that speed cameras are potential revenue raisers, it would legitimise in the eyes of a naive public their use in that way, in the same way punitive taxes are justified as being in the interests of 'the environment' or whatever.....

It removed the link of accountability between road safety and camera operations.


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For once (and I mean for once) I agree with the partnership. :yikes:


In the absence of a 'taking your temperature to see if your are unwell' smiley, I'm left with..:shocked:

Camera cash for Air Ambulances would simply give the pro-camera parties more emotive leverage to use against anti-camera protestors viz...

You're trying to starve worthy charities of cash you heartless b&^%$£"s


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For once (and I mean for once) I agree with the partnership. :yikes:


In the absence of a 'taking your temperature to see if your are unwell' smiley, I'm left with..:shocked:

Camera cash for Air Ambulances would simply give the pro-camera parties more emotive leverage to use against anti-camera protestors viz...

You're trying to starve worthy charities of cash you heartless b&^%$£"s


You've misread me.

The partnership rejected the idea with: "But Mick Bennett from the Cleveland Safety Camera Partnership knocks the air ambulance plan out of court saying it is a "100pc non-starter."

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No no no

Read the last paragraph!!!

I'm amazed the SCP's are against it, it would be a useful propaganda exercise for them.

'You can't scrap the cameras...think of the air ambulance'!!

Air ambulances should be funded from the public purse!


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'You can't scrap the cameras...think of the air ambulance'!!


The quote would be more like

'You can't scrap the cameras... think of the CHILDREN that will die because there is no Air Ambulance'


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That was the subliminal bit I left out!!


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...I'm amazed the SCP's are against it, it would be a useful propaganda exercise for them...

I'm not.

The first time they subsequently used it to justify their operations it would remove any last vestige of doubt about whether they are there to raise revenue.

It would be the one conflict of interest that they were unable to deal with!

"Don't Slow Down! ...your Air Ambulance needs you to speed!"

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civil engineer wrote:
No no no

Read the last paragraph!!!

I'm amazed the SCP's are against it, it would be a useful propaganda exercise for them.

'You can't scrap the cameras...think of the air ambulance'!!

Air ambulances should be funded from the public purse!


Yeah, thats what I meant. What the heck did you think I meant Paul :?:


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Common sense wrote:
This may actually be a good idea for us to get behind.

Surly if the revenue from speeding fines is put into charities like this then its less money for the pratnerships to play with.

The pratnerships and government couldnt complain, it would look bad on them to stop money for charities.


No, no, NO! All this would do would be to legitamise their immoral acts of theft at the roadside.


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Rigpig wrote:
civil engineer wrote:
No no no

Read the last paragraph!!!

I'm amazed the SCP's are against it, it would be a useful propaganda exercise for them.

'You can't scrap the cameras...think of the air ambulance'!!

Air ambulances should be funded from the public purse!


Yeah, thats what I meant. What the heck did you think I meant Paul :?:


You said: "In the absence of a 'taking your temperature to see if your are unwell' smiley, I'm left with.. "

But then you went on to agree with what I meant. I gave clarification.

Oh hell, this really isn't worth it, is it? I don't care who misunderstood who. Sorted right?

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