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Have a careful look at this:

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/speedo.html

Do you want drivers paying attention to their speedos outside YOUR child's school? I certainly wouldn't. Also see this PR:

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/pr142.html

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Paul Smith
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If you're expecting a straight yes/no answer then I would suggest you rephrase the question.

For the record, there has never been a mobile site anywhere near my house or schools in my area - they are not required, not wanted and nobody has asked for them.

Cheers
Peter

Yes

And nor do I want road humps or a 20 mph limit outside my house.

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

For someone asking for "no drawn out anticamera statements", how about asking the question without that drawn out pro-camera clauses?

ie, something like...

Would you remove the mobile site from outside your house / kids school etc?

(Oh and the answer's "Yes")

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Are these mobile vans outside of schools going to STOP offenders BEFORE they hit a child then?
In Windermere, for a month, we had policemen with speed guns, STOPPING offenders for....speeding, lack of seatbelts, children loose in the back of the car, and parking on the zig zag lines outside of school.

THOSE officers are welcome back ANYTIME as they warned first, and only prosecuted people over the thirty limit in front of the school, and the roads children walked on - in fact the suspicion they might come back still imparts a sense of respect nearly 18 months later.

Talivans and GATSO would never be welcome, as they dont stop anyone EVER, just issue a Pay per Speed ticket.

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[quote="camera operator"How many people have a mobile site ouside or close to their homes / kids school?[/quote]

We have 4 schools near to me. Two of which my children go to. None have cameras. All have 20mph speed limits at school times. I am a school governor and I would oppose cameras all the way. They distract drivers and could make the school more dangerous to children goint to school.

A question to you.

What would you rather have...A 20 mph speed limit AT SHOOL TIMES or a 30 limit with cameras.

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Yes, yes and while it was there I would make it's life ****** hell.



And how does a talivan actually slow anyone down? Most of the idiots who will drive "at any speed" past a school are driving unlicenced, unregistered, untraceable vehicles with false plates. They laugh at your silly vans.

As on who has to do the school run, its just too far for my 4 year old to walk, I'd have to say yes, if there was a mobile camera I'd want it removed.

Don't get me wrong, vehicles do speed passed the school but the reality is that not whilst the kids are going in and out. the real issue there is other parents manouvering slowly but without due care.

Far more welcome would be either a Policeman prosecuting/warning these people for any number of offences or a traffic warden ticketting the plethora of illegally parked vehicles.

It would also be nice if the council would install a controlled crossing so the kids can walk there safely

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We need one of those too - see the Bolisha Beacon thread in the CSCP Refugees forum!

The essential result of any speed monitoring, is that excess speed is STOPPED IMMEDIATELY, not allowed to continue!

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I think we have raised some interesting points here. I am keen to see the respoce from "camera operator"

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Please try to defend your position with a little more understanding of those on the other side of the debate CO, you'll find you'll get a little more attempt to understand the point you are trying to make. Use of 'blatant' will not endear .


That is a question which a camera operator should be able to answer, or have access to, so you tell us.

If you mean, which forum contributors have a mobile site outside their schools, then yes, I have.

I don't believe the mobile sites around our schools were specifically asked for by residents, otherwise surely I would have been polled.



As JT said, your question carries a barb in the tail which defies any chance of a reasonable short answer.

You have strongly tempted me to provide an answer which I know would get me into some trouble at work, so I won't.

Suffice to say If you believe that your presence or the threat of your presence is improving the quality of motoring in these areas then evidence it please.... Tell us how many children's lives have been saved by positioning of cameras outside schools? Surely you will be able to provide that by comparing changes in child road fatality rates around schools which are not 'protected' by cameras to those which are 'protected'.

Could you also advise if the number of speeders being caught at these sites is significantly reducing?

Could you also provide evidence that given that the number of speeders are reducing, this automatically improves the quality of driving in the area? - There is no mention of speed in COAST.


Could you explain to me why you feel you are the only influence on safe motoring behaviour at these areas.
You might wish to evidence the carnage which must have occurred at school sites before the introduction of cameras in these areas.

Do you believe your activities at a school site at school opening / closing times are more effective at reducing child fatalities than a VAS sign activated on vehicle approach saying "SCHOOL ZONE. DRIVE CAREFULLY. THANK YOU". ?

We all want to maximise safety around schools. I'd have to say that overall, cameras at schools generally encourage more negative motoring behaviour than positive. I agree with Patch that the problem around schools at busy times is usually nothing to do with speed, more to do with careless driving at slow speeds.

Your activities may well encourage my higher risk motorist (the boy racer or impatient commercial motorist) to use an alternative route to avoid your site with higher risk to vulnerable users on much riskier roads. You have to include these displacement collisions in your analyses and accept some responsibility for them, although they don't feature in your statistics.

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No scams outside thank goodness, and like everyone else so far I'd want rid of them if there were any. It's not just the distraction element I'd be concerned with either. What about "raceaways"? IIRC even Richard Bunfight admits there's a problem with some drivers flooring it once past the scam sites. I don't condone it but if it happens, it happens. We're better of without that sort of behaviour, but failing that let's at least make sure it happens away from schools.

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To answer CO's question - Yes. Cameras outside schools are dangerous.

But hang on a minute....in one post CO says...



then elsewhere says...



So....which are you ? PC or civvy ?

If civilian, no disrespect but you will have been taught to operate the camera. Nothing else. No experience of road policing, accident investigation, no standing in the pouring rain announcing to a mother her son's just died. Which is probably why life seems black and white and why you seem not to like debate, just yes or no questions to situations which don't exist in real life anyway.

There are at least three very experienced traffic officers on this forum - we're happy to tell people as much about ourselves as the job permits..perhaps you would like to do the same ?

Oh, and please learn to spell.....after all, you might need it one day for a witness statement.

Personally I have my doubts...we may be feeding the trolls here...

All 15 brain cells together work out that the vast majority of users frequenting this board are "totally anti camera".

Most people on this forum, Scamera Operator, strike me as fair, balanced and reasonable. If you used cameras to nick people who really needed nicking, backing up the BiB on the roads, most of us 'anti-camera' would not be around moaning and whinging and openly displaying being pissed off with your ilk's tactics.

The thing is, Scamera Operator, you don't sit on roads where there is life regularly at risk - because most people (apart from those people who really should not have a licence) would not even contemplate, let alone speed there! The problem with this type of policy, however, is it would yield little in the way of cash. Your justification for existing in the eyes of your paymasters would vaporise and you would be withdrawn.

Nicking motorists by hiding under or in amongst bushes and camoflaging yourselves or hiding fixed speed cameras behind other road signs on roads which have unreasonably low speed limits (notice I used the word unreasonably), yields lots of money.

You are there to make money, Scamera Operator, your existance is nothing to do with safety at all - and you would earn a great deal of kudos and respect if you openly accepted that but told the rest of us you needed a job!

There's a primary school near where i live that is on my route to work. it is positioned exactly opposite a T Junction (i.e. 'above' the cross bar). The road close to the school is raised as a speed bump for approx 30-40ft such that 30mph is OK, but any more ( i tried it at 2am) is distinctly uncomfortable. it's also the only junction in the village and has a 'crossing lady' at school hours.
No-one ever speeds past this school during the day and rarely during the night as the road is also on a bend and has restricted views from certain angles.
A speed camera would be absolutely pointless.

There will never be a speed camera on my street. it's an unadopted cul-de-sac with houses only up to No.11

That makes me think of Dafydd for some reason. Hmmm, a bit too much of the old last night I think.

Sounds like the speed hump is pretty pointless at two in the morning. At least the mobile scams go home.

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I get the impression that "camera operator " isn't getting the kind of answers they wanted .

BTY I used " they " cos I have no idea if we're talking with a male , female or indeed a group .

Come on "Camera Operator" We have answered your question. Where is your reply???????

Or do you just like to make posturing statements...that could be construde as trolling....

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