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Does any of this come as a surprise......

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Speed camera policy Kills

Thanks Gizmo .... The new link seems to not be working too...



30% 'would cheat to keep licence'

As many as 30% of drivers are prepared to cheat the speed cameras by pushing their penalty points on to their partner if they are in danger of losing their licence, according to a survey.

With cameras recording number plates rather than drivers, the 30% would engage in points swapping if they had nine penalty points and three more would result in a ban.

As many as 13% of the 2,097 drivers surveyed by Churchill Car Insurance either did not know this points-swap tactic was illegal or were unsure of the law.

Around 15% of drivers would also swap points for driving in a bus lane and 13% would do so for going through a red light.

As many as 57% of 19-21-year-olds would ask partners to take points for them and 67% would be prepared to return the favour.

A total of 7% of 19-21-year-olds said their parents had taken speeding points for them.

Regionally, Scots (41%) were the most prepared to swap points, with drivers in the West Midlands the most honest, with only 16% prepared to points-swap.

Darren McCauley, head of car insurance at Churchill, said, "People have become so dependent on their cars that they will go to great lengths to avoid a driving ban. Unless driving habits change, speeding will become a real threat to the modern motorist."

Blimey! That's a non-sequitur if I ever saw one!

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Have just had a good old fashioned rant about this on another thread .

People are now in danger of creating a more serious crime in desperation. What is even more unsettling is that insurance never comes into the question. Person named may not be insured to drive the car...but they are not interested in fine details like this - so long as "roads are safe" according to them.

Funny - but one of first things we do is ask for all documents to be produced here..

We are not draconian in our enforcement either - but we appear to have good relationship with the public and are seen to have tangible results too - and we still have room for much improvement as well.

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Criminal scumbags who are prepared to pervert the course of justice should be jailed for at least 10 years, and given scale-extric cars to play with in jail.

What, like the ones you play with in your bedroom?

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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Nah, he just plays with himself.

Just to put the punishment into perspective here's a cutting from the legal notes on Perverting the Course of Justice:

PENALTY: Life imprisonment.

Time limit for prosecutions: None

As the figures increase, so does the likelyhood of detection.

Or will that be another statistical claim that is denied?

Do you think that should apply to all the people who 'guess' who was driving because they're pressured into it by camera partnerships telling them failing to supply comes with a £1k fine and 6 points?

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Trouble is (as IG has posted elsewhere) the scammers are threatening mobility and livelihoods over very silly margins. It is now causing more serious crimes to be committed - whereas if common sense were applied - as it used to be - deaths would be remaining at lower levels, and people would be respecting the law instead of creating a further minefield of bother for themselves.

Wildy has already posted words to this effect on the PH thread - the BBC prog one there. It is a worrying trend - I do not condone these people doing this - but I can at least understand what drives them to do this.

To me - it proves that bad law and bad application of the law creates a lawless society.

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And what about the people who are positive they weren't speeding yet are being threatened by the SCPs because one of their cameras is faulty, incorrectly sited, incorrectly configured or incorrectly used, and where the errors aren't picked up by the back-office processing of the alleged offence?

If we're going to lock people up for life just for trying to evade a speeding ticket, what punishment would be appropriate for those SCP employees responsible for falsely accusing people of speeding...

Heil Hitler!

What's the penalty for beating up a frail old lady for the ten quid in her handbag then? A slap on the wrist, with time off for good behaviour, that's what. - And that's assuming you get caught in the first place.

And what do you imagine the penalty should be for perverting justice?
Because that comes pretty close to what you're doing.

Send me your NIP's, I'll be happy to wear the points

I just had to check that my name and address was not on the profile...

Up yours JJ

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Ross

Yes I'm a hoon, but only on the track!!!!

OK. We all know you're a Troll, and probably don't really think this way (no-one could be THAT stupid).

But for the sake of debate, realise we are talking about a MINIMUM of 750,000 people each year. The capacity of the UK prison system is currently a maximum of about 130,000. That's including all the murderers, rapists, child molesters, habitual thieves and violent armed robbers. Are you going to turn them all out onto the streets to make way for motorists pinged by Gatsos, who just want to protect their livelihoods?

And where will you put the remaining 600,000 'offenders'?

Answers, please.

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Rioman, Herts

Don't be so f...ing stupid, Steve. You CANNOT prosecute an extra 750,000 people a year. It is literally impossible. The criminal justice system could never even contemplate dealing with it. And if the scam-partnerships are allowed to continue running riot, it will increase until quite literally everybody in the country engages in this practice.

The policy of using robot enforcement cameras actively encourages and promotes it, and everyone recognises this. You, and the policies you advocate and promote, have dragged the law into universal contempt. Consider the consequences of this in a wider societal context. Serious, or what? Don't you wonder why so many BiBs loathe and detest the scamerati so much? Isn't it obvious why?

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'The normally careful and competent actions of a reasonable person should be considered legal, regardless of the letter of statute'

Rioman, Herts

Actually, that is the maximum possible penalty, not the usual penalty. Typical spin.

If you are a traffic warden who uses Photoshop to falsify evidence against an innocent person, you don't get jailed at all, even if convicted.

You can get 10 year in jail for illegaly copying a CD or Video. When was the last time you know of someone getting the maximum penalty.

It just goes to show the contempt the public have for camera enforcement....

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