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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 21:46 
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you sados really have nothing better in your pathetic little lives...
grow up and live.
cars kill people. roads kill everything else.
go fuck yourselves.
we will be protesting against you- be sure of that.


:gatso2: PC do-gooders are such hypocrites. They're good at dishing it out but no damn good at taking it :P :boxedin: :hissyfit: The protest hasn't even begun and the PC ecogeeks are panicking already. I hope this protest goes a long way to finally :reaper: kill political correctness.

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Yes I would


Anyone checked under the bridge lately? :roll:


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Therefore you cannot protest against the cameras.


Oh, you cannot now protest against a wrong law? Better put Neslon Mandela back in prison then.


Its not a wrong law - 70mph is fast enough speed


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Anyone checked under the bridge lately? :roll:


Explain please?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 21:53 
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I assume that in the unlikely event that your protest is successful and these cameras are removed you will still be happy to drive at 70mph obeying the law?


Sooner or later we'll enter a new era where speed appropriate for the conditions is considered to be the most vital factor.

Do you want safety? Or do you want legality? They are not the same.


I want people to learn to accept that 70mph is the law and it is breaking it to go any faster. Therefore you cannot protest against the cameras.
Fred


You didn't answer my question. Do you want safety or do you want legality?

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I assume that in the unlikely event that your protest is successful and these cameras are removed you will still be happy to drive at 70mph obeying the law?


Sooner or later we'll enter a new era where speed appropriate for the conditions is considered to be the most vital factor.

Do you want safety? Or do you want legality? They are not the same.


I want people to learn to accept that 70mph is the law and it is breaking it to go any faster. Therefore you cannot protest against the cameras.
Fred


You didn't answer my question. Do you want safety or do you want legality?


You get safety at 70 mph. I want legality by enforcing people to stick to it.
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I assume that in the unlikely event that your protest is successful and these cameras are removed you will still be happy to drive at 70mph obeying the law?


Er no, that's the whole point. The 70mph limit was set over 30 years ago based on the braking ability of an Austin Allegro. Good laws are updated to reflect what behaviour is sensible for the time.


There are still quite a few austin allegros on the roads


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fred wrote:
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Therefore you cannot protest against the cameras.


Oh, you cannot now protest against a wrong law? Better put Neslon Mandela back in prison then.


Its not a wrong law - 70mph is fast enough speed


I see... and you are qualified to make that statement how?...


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Therefore you cannot protest against the cameras.


Oh, you cannot now protest against a wrong law? Better put Neslon Mandela back in prison then.


Its not a wrong law - 70mph is fast enough speed


I see... and you are qualified to make that statement how?...


And gow are you qualified to make the statement that its not?


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fred wrote:
I assume that in the unlikely event that your protest is successful and these cameras are removed you will still be happy to drive at 70mph obeying the law?


First of all, when are you going to answer my question?

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Its not a wrong law - 70mph is fast enough speed



Come clean, Fred.

Are you a troll working for the scamerati? Or are you just a wanker?

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fred wrote:
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I assume that in the unlikely event that your protest is successful and these cameras are removed you will still be happy to drive at 70mph obeying the law?


Er no, that's the whole point. The 70mph limit was set over 30 years ago based on the braking ability of an Austin Allegro. Good laws are updated to reflect what behaviour is sensible for the time.


There are still quite a few austin allegros on the roads


Yes, (Well, no... but you can use any old car as an example)... The drivers of those cars have already been driving at a speed appropriate for the conditions, and for their vehicle for many years... I have an older vehicle as well as a newer one... and without a doubt I would concider their relative capabilities in any given set of road conditions as a natural part of regulating my speed...


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Pete317 wrote:
fred wrote:
I assume that in the unlikely event that your protest is successful and these cameras are removed you will still be happy to drive at 70mph obeying the law?


First of all, when are you going to answer my question?

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Peter

I believe your question is about the laws being rigourously enforced, the answer to that is yes.

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You didn't answer my question. Do you want safety or do you want legality?


You get safety at 70 mph. I want legality by enforcing people to stick to it.
Fred


You don't in the fog. You don't when traffic stops. You don't in some older vehicles. You don't if the driver is drunk. You don't if the driver is inattentive. (And a thousand more).

But most importantly, a crash with a delta v of 70mph is almost certain to kill you. Clearly 70mph is a deadly speed. Why on earth is it legal and how do so many of us survive? (Serious questions...!)

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Its not a wrong law - 70mph is fast enough speed



Come clean, Fred.

Are you a troll working for the scamerati? Or are you just a wanker?


Rioman

You may call me a wanker is you wish, but no I am not a troll or working for the scamerati (who ever they are)
I am merely a law abiding citizen thats all

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fred wrote:
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Therefore you cannot protest against the cameras.


Oh, you cannot now protest against a wrong law? Better put Neslon Mandela back in prison then.


Its not a wrong law - 70mph is fast enough speed


Says who? You?
And what qualifies you?
It's been amply demonstrated, by their actions, that three-quarters of the driving population do not agree - and that's in the order of 20 million people.


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You didn't answer my question. Do you want safety or do you want legality?


You get safety at 70 mph. I want legality by enforcing people to stick to it.
Fred


You don't in the fog. You don't when traffic stops. You don't in some older vehicles. You don't if the driver is drunk. You don't if the driver is inattentive. (And a thousand more).

But most importantly, a crash with a delta v of 70mph is almost certain to kill you. Clearly 70mph is a deadly speed. Why on earth is it legal and how do so many of us survive? (Serious questions...!)


I am talking about 70 mph being safe in a roadworthy vehicle in good driving conditions. Clearly in fog etc speed should be reduced. Traffic police should be around to catch the drunks / nutters etc whilst the cameras can cathc the speeders
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Come clean, Fred.

Are you a troll working for the scamerati? Or are you just a wanker?


:rotfl: :thumbsup: :clap1:

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SafeSpeed wrote:
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Come clean, Fred.

Are you a troll working for the scamerati? Or are you just a wanker?


:rotfl: :thumbsup: :clap1:


Wanker??? I think the word is pedestrian...


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Pete317 wrote:
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Therefore you cannot protest against the cameras.


Oh, you cannot now protest against a wrong law? Better put Neslon Mandela back in prison then.


Its not a wrong law - 70mph is fast enough speed


Says who? You?
And what qualifies you?
It's been amply demonstrated, by their actions, that three-quarters of the driving population do not agree - and that's in the order of 20 million people.


And what qualifies you?


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