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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 02:18 
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Press Association / Young Marmalade Insurance wrote:
Councils 'face large pothole payouts'

New figures obtained by the Scottish Conservatives have revealed that councils in Scotland have given out around £1.8 million in compensation to motorists who have damaged their cars due to road potholes.

The figures were uncovered through a Freedom of Information request by the Conservatives and cover the past five years.

Between 2006/07 and 2010/11, local authorities handed out £1,738,966 in compensation for pothole damage, which the party said was "astonishing". It warned that the seven-figure bill was "just the tip of the iceberg".

Glasgow City Council, the largest authority in Scotland, topped the payout list with £355,530 given out alone.

In 2007/08 the city council dished out around £20,000 to drivers, but in recent years this has seen a sharp increase, with the most expensive year in 2010/11 seeing over £197,000 paid out. In comparison, Edinburgh City Council paid out £188,331 in five years, with £21,964 in 2010/11 and around £78,000 in 2006/07.

A spokeswoman for Transport Scotland said: "We will continue to maintain and safely operate our trunk roads and motorways with an extensive programme of works, investing a total of £700 million over the spending review period."

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Operating all roads safely is what is required not just the trunk roads and motorways !
Lower temperatures see road suffer more extensively as ice takes it's toll. Therefore greater sums are required to properly maintain the road structures.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 23:58 
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I regularly report potholes and other (IMHO) road safety related repairs to our County Highways .Most times ,action is taken . Recently , it's been subied out ,and lleft . Forunately ,we have a county councillor who is road safety savvy -and kicks butts if nothing is done.Time has come ,I'm afraid ,to et the County Councilor involved ,if the County Highways fail to deliver .Then at next county elections - YOU can hold them to account ,if they fail to kick butt. Me- I'll vote for ours- he's always been effective .

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I am surprised that solicitors have not clubbed together, (with a main website to tackle this) and offered to help the public claim what they ought to be due, issuing the assistance by the nearest participating solicitor.

Obviously I'd far rather see the Councils / Highways Agency deal with the problems.

Perhaps the Gov needs to have a main website to report the problems found that then reports to the appropriate Council and then that can be followed up.
Plus if SatNavs also had that facility too (in their own way), then at least as we travel around reporting those areas then Councils can be alerted directly and quickly?

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There is an iphone app "fillthathole" available to report potholes, with an android one coming.

http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/fill-tha ... 83097?mt=8


Report with 10m accuracy using gps.
Funnily enough, by a cycling outfit.
of course, you could claim from the council....except the COUNCIL have no money, theirs is yours.
Even their insurers have no money, theirs is yours.
So, you will be paying yourself for your claim.

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jomukuk wrote:
Funnily enough, by a cycling outfit.


What is funny about that? Cyclists are much more likely yo be injured as a result of hitting a pothole that is a motorist

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Funnily enough, by a cycling outfit.

What is funny about that? Cyclists are much more likely yo be injured as a result of hitting a pothole that is a motorist

Yes, but over the years many people of a general anti-car bent have praised potholes as a kind of "natural traffic calming".

See, for example, here, and here.

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Yes, but over the years many people of a general anti-car bent have praised potholes as a kind of "natural traffic calming".


That rather presupposes that cyclists are generally "of an anti car bent" which is not substantiated. :D

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See, for example, here, and here.

Interesting but don't councils have a duty to keep the road in safe condition for all road users?

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dcbwhaley wrote:
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Yes, but over the years many people of a general anti-car bent have praised potholes as a kind of "natural traffic calming".


That rather presupposes that cyclists are generally "of an anti car bent" which is not substantiated. :D

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See, for example, here, and here.

Interesting but don't councils have a duty to keep the road in safe condition for all road users?

Problem is that recently ,despite police professional advice councils throughout the land have allowed their officers to spend money on downgrading speed limits ,with little evidence that these lower limits will affect road safety ,or little chance of affecting percentile speeds, with scant regard to road maintenance . Last year ,for example , we had a round of nation wide speed limit reductions ,followed by a bad winter ,which tasked the councils ability to keep roads open and then pot hole free .-as in a safe condition for all road users .

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Very true, if the millions spent on lowering speed limits was channeled instead into maintenance, then I'm sure the roads would be just as safe as they are now but a lot nicer to drive on, without the frustrations of crawling when it is safe to go faster and without the wear and tear on your car and the need to watch the immediate road in front of you, for sudden jolts to your steering.

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It isn't just potholes that show maintenance failure on the part of councils. Some of the road marking are also in an awful state, e.g. centre white line markings and edge of road continuous white line. On some of the roads I drive these are virtually non existent in some places which I think greatly benefit from them. I for one find these markings useful specially in bad driving conditions and more so on unknown roads. These are basic road safety measures and failure to keep them in good order is bound to result in problems.

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Something like this you mean? http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=dawley& ... 2,,0,19.71

Bear in mind this google view is about two years old and they still haven't done the lines for this filter right for a turn in both directions...I've notified them about it 5 years ago.... and even though they've done the rest of the road, they forgot this one. I've lived their all my life and find it difficult to turn right in the correct place...I'm just waiting to see when the first big prang is there.

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Mind you, the new "pointless" traffic light and speed restriction sign, order book is brimming full....;-)

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It isn't just potholes that show maintenance failure on the part of councils. Some of the road marking are also in an awful state, e.g. centre white line markings and edge of road continuous white line. On some of the roads I drive these are virtually non existent in some places which I think greatly benefit from them. I for one find these markings useful specially in bad driving conditions and more so on unknown roads. These are basic road safety measures and failure to keep them in good order is bound to result in problems.


YEP - I've seen a blog on a certain roundabout on Coventry - where suddenly the outer lane becomes a right turn one . And of late in Warks ,I've seen a need to watch out for bad markings on islands . One I use regularly ,has two lanes approaching the island .And at the island ,this becomes three . Problem is that on approach ,the left lane is marked as left tunr only, with the right one as straight on /turn right .This divides into three -one left tirn , one straight on ,one right . BUT HC, tells us that IN ALL CASES ,DRIVE IN LEFT HAND LANE- now try to get from LEFT LANE (AS per HC ,preferred lane to middle one -in this town -NO CHANCE) .SO who devised this HC breaking sustem ??

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