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I'd like to know if there is, could or should be a 'tolerable' level, that might be considered 'acceptable'?
I think your question of can a responsible person be held otherwise culpable, is a most interesting one.
Some herbal ciggys have smelt highly questionable, to most people, and are not considered in the ABC of illegal 'drugs', so how might a non-smoker like myself actually know if we have been 'exposed' ?
(When at college a chap who used to smoke herbal ciggys, was always having to defend them, and show the packets etc ... so I have had some experience from that situation, but how many have? To know what other ciggys smell like, like that one may just smell 'bad' and yet you might be held accountable.)

This would place the authorities in a bit of a dilemma, illegal drug driving implies no level is acceptable, but have we not started to show that possibly small/tiny trace levels might in fact be tolerable? More facts are clearly needed.
However to quell any fears; one must always be responsible and one must always be in full charge of their vehicle when travelling along our roads. If there is any doubt, stop, do not drive/ride or perhaps even walk!

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Peter - as gentlemen - perhaps we ( as parties to the above ) might just say - sorry ,mate - we just got over the top . Now for years , I've had a ring of dealers round me - now disapated by police involvement . I've now got one over the road , nex tto my son ,and his kids ,my grand kids. I've also had in months past ,seen a kid ,not much older than my son have a heart attack and die after trying some drugs . He left a partner ,and some young kids -friends of my young lad . Kid was 28 - his dad was a bloke we've had problems with ,but now after problems resolved , is a friend. I hate to think what I'd do if t was my son . Could you .
Perhaps now ,you might see where I come from .
regards
B

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

It must be very hard to watch events and feel powerless to help or resolve the situation.

I can see too, how your difficult experiences will reflect in your posts, and potentially cement your opinion.

However we do like to look at all aspects of the situation/s, in these threads, (of course) and try to arrive at the heart of the issues and consider what is best for road safety.

I try to consider all the potential situations and asses each one, as well as what is fair, achievable, just and reasonable for the benefit of road safety, as I am sure you do too.
And hence why I'll often think of extremes and try to analyse them too, but that doesn't mean that I can't and don't sympathise with the individual situations.
By looking at facts we can often identify the problem cause or causes, (the truth), and then arrive at well formed opinions to improve the issues (or not!).
Some of those road safety conclusions, but might fall (way) below our own higher & more responsible standards, or at least, I'd expect they do!

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If they introduce driver drug testing then a LOT of drivers may have to stop driving.
Take cannabis, the time after use that it can still be detected is 12 weeks (chronic user)
It is around a week for a one-off exposure BUT it can be detected in HAIR samples as long as the hair takes to grow until cut.
Look at other drugs like barbiturates (sleeping pills). They can be detected at a week after use.
The current driving climate probably means a zero tolerance, which essentially means that a person should not use any medication that MAY have an effect on their driving ability.
THAT means no drugs at all, since false-positives abound.
Looking at the leaflet that comes with all prescription drugs is a MUST.
Not using recreational drugs, and driving, is also a must.
Don't stay at parties where drugs are available/used should also be considered..
All the prosecutors will need to show is presence, the accused will have to show a reason for presence and also that the quantity was ineffectual and unlikely to affect driving ability.
One can expect some sort of concensus at to quantity/effect.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

No major hurry.
The Boy Prime Minister was only parroting the EU.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088653/Cameron-sets-sights-combating-drug-driving.html

Since it is the subject of an EU study there is not a lot he can do. All legislation has to be coordinated with the EU which has overall responsibility/power in that respect.

http://www.druid-project.eu/cln_031/sid_D7DDB8A25869669757AE756721546804/Druid/EN/home/homepage__node.html?__nnn=true

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2003:0311:FIN:EN:PDF

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing