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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 09:35 
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Help! I can't unlock my holiday hire car
Driving on the 'wrong' side of the road is a cinch compared with getting to grips with a 'strange' car on holiday.
By David Williams
Published: 11:28AM BST 21 Jul 2010
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Hire car stranded at sea

Hire car mishaps: suddenly not being able to work the petrol filler cap didn't seem to matter... Photo: PA

A new survey has revealed that around one third of holidaymakers come to grief with the basic operation of hire cars, with problems ranging from opening the petrol cap to getting into the car in the first place.

According to Kwik-Fit, around 900,000 travellers from the UK have encountered difficulties after being handed the keys to their cars abroad, after flying in from the UK.

Ian Fraser, chief executive at Kwik-Fit says: "The controls in a car can differ hugely from one manufacturer to another – and sometimes even between models of the same manufacturer. We see over four million cars each year so have experience of dealing with a wide range of problems. As a result we've assembled a wealth of knowledge and are happy to share this with any motorist who has a question about controls or operation."

Despite younger motorists' reputation for being more comfortable with technology, the survey says they appear to be less intuitive than their older counterparts. A total of 48 per cent of 18-34 year-olds have had difficulties with hire cars compared to 27 per cent aged 35-64. Even those over retirement age are more capable than younger drivers, with one third of those over 65 having encountered problems.

Kwik-Fit points out that as cars have advanced, controls have become more complex, with individual models having their own quirks and foibles leading to "embarrassment at airports" as holidaymakers stumble over basic problems.

The top ten problems that trip tourists up are: opening the petrol cap (47pc), finding the light controls (31pc), opening the boot (24pc), operating the windows or mirrors (19pc), working the in-car entertainment (19pc), starting the car (18pc), adjusting the seats (17pc), working the heating or cooling system (8pc), finding the handbrake (6pc), unlocking the car doors (4pc).
I found on one car that the locked fuel cap was not shown to me and it took a fair few 'moments' to find it !
My current hire car I checked various obvious points before leaving !
I find more annoying is the smart indicators ... now I dare say one might become tuned in with them but at the moment the mistakes I make are going to cancel them and then accidentally putting on the opposite one - I find that so annoying as it indications an intention that is not intended at all ! Whilst I try to be really careful, one intuitively 'indicates' (they are at least on the right (left) side of the steering wheel - for me with what I am used to. And this is it what we are used to helps massively, although not the whole issue. In some ways having them opposite creates other dangers like not indicating early enough but at least the new operation using the 'other' hand has to be 'learned' and then might help with how the operation is executed.
The worst and most obvious real dangers lye with the performance or (serious) lack of it in some cases.
I always go through various steps to feel the handling and the 'power' available, so that I can adjust the concept of possible car manoeuvres that I can expect to perform or not, as also with the current case. They (in this case the hire company via the AA) are meant to ensure that you have a vehicle approximate to your own cars performance - within reason, but my current 1.4 Vauxhall Astra is just gutless. It is a nearly brand new car (2K on clock) and I prefer my older car by miles, what does that say about new technology ? I appreciate that it is a 'cheap' run about, except that they are far from cheap to buy. Although 'cheap' does depend on your financial capabilities or expectation of value for money. Even for a 10K price tag I would expect moderate performance. It does teach me when I see new cars, what they driver can and cannot do which is very helpful !

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I suspect many owners (Like the users of sophisticated "Office" type software) only ever learn about the basic functions on their own vehicles nowadays.

I recently came across the "Owners handbook" fo a Merc SLK.

Not only is it more substantial than the "Full Workshop service manual" for many cars of yesteryear, It is not far off the weight of the flight manual for the SaturnV moonrocket. (I found it on the web! 270 odd pages)

For a Car! :shock:

Yet another reason why I prefer my old ones...

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yes... the parking brake on a us chevy auto van... a pedal to operate, a lever to dis-engage...
vauxhall "inteligent" indicators :hoppingmad:
most car seat controls
fuel cap releases....

My own car the speedo dims to unreadable if you turn the lights on due to rain and you need to push another button to brighten it up again..

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I hate the main/dip switches whereby you pull them the same way for both functions, much prefer the forward for main, back for dip method.

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...but if they DID standardise all this (and then make it a legal requirement to comply with the standard) we'd miss what little individuality cars still retained! Getting used to a new car is part of the fun of going on holiday, I think!


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...but if they DID standardise all this (and then make it a legal requirement to comply with the standard) we'd miss what little individuality cars still retained! Getting used to a new car is part of the fun of going on holiday, I think!


Quite. But it would be nice if the handbook was readily available before you set off into an Albuquerque thunderstorm at three in the morning. In my experience they rarely are and the attendant looks at you as if you are an idiot when you ask him where the light switch is

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Have had the new Astra and it's 'smart' indicators - the damm things are a nightmare, when the links / switches in the stalk get sloppy (from the two I've had as loaners it's about 8k) try to indicate and blind the oncoming driver when the main beam comes on - spoke to the hire co, they had a lot of complaints and expensive repairs to these things. As such have contacted GM and told them that they will no longer buy any more vehicles with smart indicators. Hopefully we'll see these things go.

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You can eventually get used to the smart indicators, but I still don't like them and don't see what benefit they offer.

For those who haven't seen them, they have two switches for each direction, a half push and a full push and they don't latch. A half push gives you 3 flashes and a full push turns the indicator on until the normal cancelling mechanism comes into play, or you do a half push in either direction.

This is fine until you decide to cancel the indicators yourself, because then you get what computer programmers call a "race condition", in this case in between the time where your brain tells your finger to move, and your finger actually pushing the lever, the car finally decides to cancel for you. Now you are giving 3 flashes in the opposite direction.


When you're not used to them and haven't discovered the half push trick, you end up finding yourself signalling one way, then the other as you try to get the damn things to cancel, eventually you give up and just steer sharply in one direction and back again to turn the damn things off, then don't bother to signal for the rest of your journey.


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Great, just what you need in an age when the majority of drivers can't be bothered to indicate at all or, in the case of the guy I was following the other day, who thought that ONE flash of indicator was enough, (blinkand you really did miss it).

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Great, just what you need in an age when the majority of drivers can't be bothered to indicate at all or, in the case of the guy I was following the other day, who thought that ONE flash of indicator was enough, (blinkand you really did miss it).


It is all in the service of saving petrol. Each flash use 10 * 10^-6 kWh of electricity all of which has to supplied by the engine.

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Yes, my BMW has these indicators and I don't like them very much for the reason that Lum says about manually cancelling them. However, I can offer one word of advice. Us long term drivers will try to turn off the indicators by pushing the stalk in the opposite direction to that being indicated (as we always used to). If you push it in the same direction as currently being signalled, they cancel and don't do the 3 flashes in the opposite direction. :)

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Yes, my BMW has these indicators and I don't like them very much for the reason that Lum says about manually cancelling them. However, I can offer one word of advice. Us long term drivers will try to turn off the indicators by pushing the stalk in the opposite direction to that being indicated (as we always used to). If you push it in the same direction as currently being signalled, they cancel and don't do the 3 flashes in the opposite direction. :)


Oh great, lets do something completely different to how every other car on the road does it.

New from Vauxhall for the Mk7 Astra, one pedal to turn left, one to turn right and a handy wheel in front of you allowing you to accurately adjust your speed to exactly 69.999mph.


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New from Vauxhall for the Mk7 Astra, one pedal to turn left, one to turn right and a handy wheel in front of you allowing you to accurately adjust your speed to exactly 69.999mph.


That is what a car designed by the authors of Windows 7 would be like except that the handbrake would be in the boot and you would change gear by wiggling your arse. When you complained you would be told that "you have to move on"

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At least with Windows 7 the changes are a logical improvement over the old OS, and there are ways to bring back the behaviour of earlier OSes if you really want to. Plus the effect of the changes are it may take you a bit longer to start up Word or whatever, it's certainly not putting any lives in danger.

The Vauxhall indicators offer no improvement over the old design, other than being cheaper to manufacture as the mechanical latch can be removed and the inability to give or cancel a signal the way you indented could make the difference between having an accident and not having one.


Also worth noting that people change their OS less frequently than they change what car they are driving. I get annoyed when I switch from my 1993 Nissan to my 2009 Ford and the indicator has moved from the right (where it should be!) to the left and end up switching the wipers on when I meant to signal.


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I have the same problem with my toyota (indicator on right) and I couuld never fathom out the logic of the main beam/dip switch where you only moved it one way to switch it on /off, I much prefer the conventional ones where it is back for dip, forward for main and pull back further to flash.

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And the growing rate of cars which require the clutch down to start the engine .Bit of a habit with me ,knowing that it reduces strain on starter and battery .Never noticed it mentioned on the last few hire cars I had .Another one -is it peculiar to VAG, or just Germanic - touch the indicators and they flash a few times .Don't seem much ,till you nudge them dipping lights .

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