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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 01:19 
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http://atkinstransportsystems.com/downloads/controlled_motorway.pdf

Interesting ?
Or obvious ?

And:

http://www.grumpyoldsod.com/ontheroad.asp

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 08:21 
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Once you accept the less than obvious fact that observing lower speed limits can improve traffic throughputs then it is obvious. Of course, ignorant bastards like GoM won't accept any fact which contradicts their decades old predjudices. :(

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The first link didn't open Jom but the second did and now I've gone from feeling gay to miserable. :(

It's more of the same...

We could use a smilie with a great big thumb pressing on a red-faced head.

Edit: It did open on the third attempt. :)

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The first link didn't open Jom but the second did and now I've gone from feeling gay to miserable. :(


The purpose of the GoM site is to make everyone feel miserable and if they have to use misrepresentation to do so they have no qualms about it

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dcbwhaley wrote:
The purpose of the GoM site...


"GoM"???


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Once you accept the less than obvious fact that observing lower speed limits can improve traffic throughputs then it is obvious. Of course, ignorant bastards like GoM won't accept any fact which contradicts their decades old predjudices. :(


That's all very well but DOES IT WORK IN PRACTICE?

it's all very well a government paper saying it does but I would sooner talk to someone with actual experience of using the M25 at peak times with the speed limits. I know when large stretches of the m6 had road works, with 40MPH limits for many miles, IT DIDN'T improve journey times, off peak at say 10AM, so can't honestly see it working but if someone who uses the M25 daily, at the peak times when these limits are in force, then I would accept that they work BUT not before.

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Displacement must be considered.
Traffic will find alternatives to roads that have become mismanaged, or a needless danger to licenses.

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graball wrote:
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Once you accept the less than obvious fact that observing lower speed limits can improve traffic throughputs then it is obvious. Of course, ignorant bastards like GoM won't accept any fact which contradicts their decades old predjudices. :(


That's all very well but DOES IT WORK IN PRACTICE?

it's all very well a government paper saying it does but I would sooner talk to someone with actual experience of using the M25 at peak times with the speed limits. I know when large stretches of the m6 had road works, with 40MPH limits for many miles, IT DIDN'T improve journey times, off peak at say 10AM, so can't honestly see it working but if someone who uses the M25 daily, at the peak times when these limits are in force, then I would accept that they work BUT not before.



I travel though the speed restricted M40 very often, as it is on my way to work.

It does not work as they planed because

1 -I know where all the cameras are.
2- so do others.
3- when the motorway is clear it tells me to drive at 50 or 60, don’t even start with that slowing you down for problems ahead crap, because you can travel the full length the limit bouncing up and down from 50 – 60 – 70.with no incident. When there is a problem at busy times the whole motorway grids to a halt anyway, because you have 4 lanes of traffic going into 3 because there is no hard shoulder! Even if the person gets into the little break down areas the bloody traffic wombles close 1 lane off anyway. So you can only dream of travelling at the 40 mph indicated by the overhead sign. Oh they have extended it north up to the M6 Toll junction. What was a relatively quiet stretch of motorway, is now always busy

This is not based on prejudice, but experience.

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This is not based on prejudice, but experience.


Ah yes that word .." experience"......, if only traffic planners knew about it and strived to obtain it!!!!

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