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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 22:27 
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rwolf I have to comend you on such a large post that contains exactly zero in content or information. Similar in many ways to the link you cited, which has 61 pages of inaccuracies - it beggars belief that your beloved Mr. Harris even gets the legal definition of contract wrong. And this is your legal guru!!!!!

Words fail me, but at least you are continuing to prove the genetic diversity point I raised earlier :D


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 03:33 
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\ooh Tone .. I missed that gem :lol: He will be saying plod run for profit next. \Bum .. He already has .. Blimey :shock:

The police might not be a company, but isn't it right that they are controlled by a company - ACPO Ltd.?

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Ziltro wrote:
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\ooh Tone .. I missed that gem :lol: He will be saying plod run for profit next. \Bum .. He already has .. Blimey :shock:

The police might not be a company, but isn't it right that they are controlled by a company - ACPO Ltd.?


Urban myth :wink:

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But you have to lobby the MPs to get various changes in the law - and all amendments then have to pass through the usual processes before becoming Law. How these laws bind further depends on how the judge will interpret the wording of the Act as well and in which court. :popcorn:
I didn't mean to suggest that the process is easy or in any way guaranteed. But it is legal and, with enough support, things can be changed. The point about judges interpreting law is well made. The need for that could be avoided if governments were less inclined to rush legislation through in search of favourable headlines.


Alas - that would be true. Sometimes the court or rather the judge has to interpret the intention of the Act - as in what was the "wrong" intended to be put "to right or straighened out" :popcorn: - especially when the actual literal leter of the Act will cause potential injustice. Sometimes the Act will be amended to clarify.

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Blimey - where does one start? Leaving EU politics out of the way for the time being...


Re the "high tax rant"


I think every tax payer thinks at some point that they are being short changed as regards public services. My excuse as an employee of one of these services as provided is that we do have limited resources/manpower and will prioritise according to urgency - which explains why you wait for a cop to look at the scene of your "simple break in/opportunist burglar attack". Here - we do at least try to deal with this within an accceptable time scale.

Note the way I worded the above crime. I am aware that the person reporting is a victim of crime and we do try to send someone to check for any clues as person probably a "past/present customer" as soon as we can realistically.

Any serious crime - including aggravated burglary - will be high priority and naturally the "simple break-in/small items nicked" will slide down the scale of urgency on that basis.. Now I am sorry - but that's just the way it is... and I am aware that the minor crime will be very major to its victim. I can only ask for patience and understanding from the public out there on this one.

Re the Fluoride/vaccine rant


Fluoridation - agree that this is a controversial issue as most toothpastes contain fluoride so adding to the water is perhaps unnecessary.

Vaccination? I think I'd rather be vaccinated against Swine Flu or any other disease than catch it and perhaps die as a result. We eradicated killer diseases in the past by vaccination. Because of fear of MMR - we now have measles increasing again :roll: Mad Doc's better qualified to comment. I can pass a comment from knowing the guy in question - he can talk about his "lurgies" till hell freezes over :lol:

ID cards


Again there are fors and againsts. As an Englishman or rather typical Yorkshireman - I dislike the idea of them and I have a passport anyway - which is basically .. errr. an identity card. There are other criteria which can be used to verify who we all are - and we do not have such great diffculty in establishing real names of all our customers. The concept is alien to the UK and I agree folk will take a lot of convincing on this issue.

But I thought there was a huge PR about dropping the whole idea of the ID card.


Green issues


OK .. I will concede that we appear to be going OTT on this, I have more wheely bins than I know what to do with. On the plus side - I did not have to buy them and as a result - I no longer have to load up my car with stuff to the recycling dump :wink:

As a responsible adult - I will recycle stuff/mend broken appliances and behave considerately to my environment and fellow citizens and their progeny. Which means I conduct my lifestyle with adequate regard to the planet by own choice...

I will concede the point that fining folk for not putting the rubbish in the correct bin or placing the bin out for collection on the wrong day or overfilling the bin just slightly is counerproductive and simply encourages rants such as rwolf's :popcorn: here.

So I will concede some of the points I think he's trying to make are valid remarks for discussion - but would suggest, hopefully tactfully and gently, that he makes a more toned down rant in Chat Room on a :soap: soapbox rather than in SPL section.


I would like to reassure him that we are nowhere near a police state as depicted in the excellent Oscar winning German film "The Life of Others (Das Leben der Anderen) which is based on a true story .. and that even with the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty - we will still have our democracy/some soverignty and be able to elect governments who have to set out their stalls in manifesto pledges.


I think I have deciphered his rant into a discussable format? :popcorn: Most are worthy of a thread of their own :hehe: as most are controversial and will have folk in very polarised camps anyway :wink: Bit like the speed cam debate then :bunker:

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We are slowly but surely being taken over by a vicious police state and when the Lisbon Treaty is fully ratified the vicious police state takeover is going to be coming for you at 100 mile an hour and if you don't know the law and don't know how to protect yourself from the statute (corporate law) it's going to consume you.

Some of you think you're not slaves how much tax including stealth taxes do you play and what do you get in return how
much was your pension worth including private pensions and how much is it worth today?

Soon they will be putting Fluoride in our water supply and that will be just the start, soon they force us to takes the Swine Flu vaccine (what are the ingredients in vaccines?), soon they will force us to take the ID card and remember you'll have to apply for the ID card (applying means begging).

I believe Scotland already has an environmental task force that will fine you if you don't obey Climate Change regulations; Climate Change regulations are designed to take money from the people and give it to the government and very little to do with global-warming.


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http://www.tpuc.org/content/johns-lawful-rebellion-powerpoint-file-0


The Matrix is a system neo that system is our enemy when you're inside you look around and what do you see businessmen, teachers, lawyer's, carpenters the very mind's of the people we are trying to save but until we do these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy you have to understand most of these people are not ready to be unplug and many of them are so inert so hopelessly dependent on the system they will fight to protect it.

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In Gear wrote:
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In Gear wrote:
\ooh Tone .. I missed that gem :lol: He will be saying plod run for profit next. \Bum .. He already has .. Blimey :shock:

The police might not be a company, but isn't it right that they are controlled by a company - ACPO Ltd.?


Urban myth :wink:

Hmm...
ACPO Statement of Purpose:
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“The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) is an independent, professionally led strategic body.
In the public interest and, in equal and active partnership with Government and the Association of Police Authorities, ACPO leads and coordinates the direction and development of the police service in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
In times of national need ACPO, on behalf of all chief officers, coordinates the strategic policing response.”

"leads and coordinates the direction and development" - sounds like controlling to me.

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Ziltro wrote:
"leads and coordinates the direction and development" - sounds like controlling to me.


As does "coordinates the strategic policing response" :shock:

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dcbwhaley wrote:
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"leads and coordinates the direction and development" - sounds like controlling to me.


As does "coordinates the strategic policing response" :shock:


Speaking of control. The current government are interested in databases. Lots and lots of databases with as much information as they can get on each individual as possible.

I wonder why:

Translation of El Mundo article
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The European Union is preparing the launch of a common data center to house personal information "sensitive", said the weekly 'Der Spiegel'.

The publication notes that the focus request information to be consulted by the security forces of Veintisiete.

With a budget of 100 million euros, the center will bring together information systems so far as independent data in the arrest and fingerprinting of those who have requested political asylum, among others.

According to the text of the European Parliament (EP) data center that is called "Agency for the management of large IT systems (information technology) in the area of freedom, security and justice."

"Centralizing a huge amount of different data only makes sense if you want to create profiles of individuals," criticizes the weekly expert on data protection of German Liberal Party (FDP), Alexander Alvaro.


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