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Maybe it's so they will eventually have full control of who drives what, where and when.

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Or perhaps it is a genuine, albeit misguided, attempt to reduce the number of KSI

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I think it's far more likely to be a foot in the backdoor of national congestion charging.

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Views expressed are personal opinions and are not necessarily shared by the Safe Speed campaign

An interesting read: http://www.lub.lu.se/luft/diss/tec_747/tec_747_kappa.pdf





Interesting.
So ISA will slow-down those most likely to have accidents....those driving faster than the average speed....hmmmm

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Causality

Those who drive little don’t have much driving experience and wisdom, hence they remain overly cautious and slow; those become more experienced tend not to drive as slow. It obviously follows that those who drive more have greater exposure and will suffer more collisions in a certain time frame.

Does that graph apply to all roads at all times? I would like to see this applied to motorways and DCs where we know fatigue becomes a far greater factor than ‘speed’ – especially during non-peak hours.


That’s a far too simplistic assessment I’m afraid.
That’s the problem with these one-size-fits-all studies: they tend to lead to one-size-fits-all conclusions and one-size-fits-all policies – that’s who our own road safety policy has failed!

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Academics always have the best English, eh?

i'll lay my cards on the table here, i'm pretty ambivolent about the whole thing.

i see some form of usage based charging as inevitable (in fact i'm all for it if done correctly) and with the current level of car usage and growth expect some form of intelligent interaction/control of vehicles to become more and more necessary.
i still enjoy driving but driving on the public road with the current traffic levels ceased to be 'fun' for me a long time ago, so now i'd prefer if it was just effective.
i expect we'll see a few false starts on the way to these and i can understand given the current track record why we'd mistrust the existing authorities to be able to implement it fairly & effectively, but in the long run i see it almost as unavoidable.

Probably they do not, but then:

Would give you the reason why his English is remiss....he isn't: English.

The point is being missed here. This is a Europe-wide project.
It IS going to happen and getting-in at the start and bringing expected problems to the fore may be more helpful.
The paper quoted is more of an index to what-what than a research paper.
It probably will not work as expected, which isn't really a surprise anyway, so giving reasons WHY instead of endless barracking ?

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

...notice how they quote "in a years driving" this is just what Steve said, these type of drivers probably cover 4 times the average annual mileage anyway...for this to be an accurate survey it should be per million, thousand,whatever miles driven. ....this is a typical propoganda survey that makes you believe what they want you to believe, thats like saying more silver cars are involved in accidents than any other colour,but wait a minute what's the most popular colour? ...

This link from British Columbia shows a different result http://www.sense.bc.ca/research.htm

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

It would be good to know if the figures were per unit distance driven.

Having found myself with an unusually boring friday night in, I found myself reading most of this report. It is the biggest load of cr@@ that I have read in a long time. It's suprising how people can twist facts to give the results exactly what some people want to hear. Since when has the younger,most dangerous group of drivers been ones up to 35. I would have thought that since most people are married and starting a family by at least 30 then 35 would be far too old to be considered a dangerous driving age. The chart they refer to conveniently only shows accident figures for people exceeding the mean speed, it conveniently forgets the accidents for people below the mean speed , which the BC chart shows to be the MOST likely to have accidents.
Very convenient what you can leave out when you want to get your point over.....

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

If it only slows down AFTER it passes the sign into the slower limit surely that's still speeding?

I seem to recall the Mad Cats making the same comment two or more years ago!

They used it to prove the same point that no one .. not even a computer . can claim not to blip over a speed limit.


Weepy . there is a BIG difference in permitted "overspeed" and a delberate blat. No one in this area lets off 60 mph in 30 mph single carriageway.. nor 120 mph in A 70 MPH. To do so would be stupid and unprofessional. I can post up the code of conduct per December 2008. You can find it for yourself",

i THINK our patch applies common sense and pure professionalism. All may use their professional judgement to a prescribed limit to ensure all are treated fairly. We have a fair tolerance level in my opinion.


Do not ever believe a cop who claims he gives FPN for OTT speeds though. It simply well ... DOES NOT HAPPEN.. NOT IN DURHAM NOR ANYWHERE ELSE as 120 mph in a 70 mph? We'd never justify it when submitting the paperwork.

Unlike the "officer" who posted this daftness.. I do not post here to be "popular". I say it as it is and trust I do so politely as few post back insults anyway.

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A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
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Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

[Sick feeling of inevitability]So that's where the speed cams would go, so you could still get done despite a computer driving your car for you...[/Sick feeling of inevitability]

Well we will not be doing that .. but wonder how this will affect "driving under influence/fatigue/boredom" as the device only controls speed - but not the actual handling or consideration to other road users

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

With respect, Steve, I think you're being too polite. What you really mean is: It's all bollox.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

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Something very close to that (if i recall correctly I think it was about 124 mph on a motorway) has been reported by a Traffic Officer in a post on PistonHeads, and he writes like a straightforward and honest chap to me. Apparently the 'bad guy' was simply given a £60/3 point ticket, though I'm not suggesting they are so lenient in all cases.

Are you suggesting Battenburg Bob has been misleading us?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

It may well all be testicular in origin, but the point is being missed. That is just one of many similar papers upon which future traffic policy EU wide is going to be based.
Indeed, practically all the policies now being instituted came from similar research.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

Yes. I am afraid I am.

Durham/ N Yorks are not SCP areas. We enforce - with what we believe to be a fair minded policy of professional judgemental criteria which will be appleid according to circumstance/conditions.


BUT to ensure ALL are treated fairly overall - we put in certain provisos within this training criteria which requires and demands much from our officers .

You see . if they get it wrong . it will plague consciences.

We also have to be aware of fair play to all. He's talking bunkum basically. I am sure he will comment negatively on sad site on my post here as a lurker to this site on PH

. But Dave - he's talking tripe. You do not give FPN for 120 moh in NSL as gadgets record it all. We cannot do it here. In camfest zones - they cannot do so either.



I have a problem on that. He undermines justice and the late Paul/'s point of view. The late Paul Smith? I can see/understand /respect what he was saying, Thatperson does not.

No one will sanction. We have the video evidence. We cannot hide it If he give FPNs in the Midlands (large area) - he's a phoney as stats suggest it does not happen - please do FOI from Staffs to Cams to Gloucs on this

"Midlands" per his profile? Guffaw! Name " Not saying" Equal GUFFAW!

Dave? Take it him as the non essential fart he would appeat to be.

I post our take. from long experience. I refer to the law. After the spur of the moment outburst . I then paste in the LAW as used in that instance.

That person has not ever done so per thread watch.



Please BE AWARE! We will tolerate to fair margin here /. and I am loath to say so as I do not want folk to test us out and then undermine our reputation as "not polically correct. fair minded.. etc""

But 120 mph on our A1(M) ? Consider yourselves well nicked and lucky to get away with remaining mobile in odd cases.

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.