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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 22:49 
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However lots of people have done the same and lost their licences through the totting up process for speed much less than his and lost their jobs thanks to his product.



Yay! Perhaps when they get their licenses back they'll obey the speed limits.


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 23:03 
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Yay! Perhaps when they get their licenses back they'll obey the speed limits.

Or,
Perhaps they'll just drive anyway because they need to and because they lost respect for what is an unfair and disproportionate system, perhaps even with 'borrowed' documentation - now that's creating criminality!

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But this isn't the point surely.

Road Safety has to be about best practice to receive best result. If the people in 'charge' (or near the top) fail to act out what they force others into then it questions their fundamental belief.

The fact that he has failed to act in a manner that reflects the Serco intended message too Here and will likely see him in trouble with his bosses.

It is doubly telling, that it was cops that gave him a tug, than a camera, reinforcing the concept that trafpol are far better as they stop and question immediately.
Edited to make my point more clearly. :)

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It is doubly telling that it was cops that gave him a tug than a camera, reinforcing the concept that trafpol far better as they stop and question immediately.


I wouldn't be suggesting that cameras were effective at all if I were you!


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Steve wrote:
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Yay! Perhaps when they get their licenses back they'll obey the speed limits.

Or,
Perhaps they'll just drive anyway because they need to and because they lost respect for what is an unfair and disproportionate system, perhaps even with 'borrowed' documentation - now that's creating criminality!


But as long as they don't speed weepej will be happy


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Steve wrote:
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Yay! Perhaps when they get their licenses back they'll obey the speed limits.

Or,
Perhaps they'll just drive anyway because they need to and because they lost respect for what is an unfair and disproportionate system, perhaps even with 'borrowed' documentation - now that's creating criminality!


It's not unfair though is it.


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 23:28 
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Yay! Perhaps when they get their licenses back they'll obey the speed limits.

Or,
Perhaps they'll just drive anyway because they need to and because they lost respect for what is an unfair and disproportionate system, perhaps even with 'borrowed' documentation - now that's creating criminality!


It's not unfair though is it.


It's not unfair that we have a system that promotes illegal driving like driving on borrowed documents? No that's not unfair - it's insane!


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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 23:34 
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Per each report I've read . this fool claimed "he was unaware of his speed"


B:censored:CKS/.


You know if you are at that speed. F:censored:F fool.

COPS tugged this fool who no doubt thought himself to be complacently "immune".


Idiot :banghead:

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He states here that he was doing 90mph. Honest or silly ?

To tell a Court that our of your (approx unconfirmed) £150K / yr salary that you will have 'hardship' and have to dip into your children's private education fees is insulting, when people are truly in hardship when they loose their homes or even their livelihoods etc.

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He states here that he was doing 90mph. Honest or silly ?



Hypocrite. He also says he was "unaware of his speed" which makes him even more so. You cannot be unaware of that speed. He would not accept this from the pinged public. I do not accept his pathetic whining either. :banghead: :censored:

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weepej wrote:
I wouldn't be suggesting that cameras were effective at all if I were you!

Why not? No one has ever proven they are effective at all.

Before you kick off: remember that no study of speed camera effectiveness has ever accounted for the effects of RTTM, long-term trend and 'bias on selection' all together - unless you know different?

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weepej wrote:
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Perhaps they'll just drive anyway because they need to and because they lost respect for what is an unfair and disproportionate system, perhaps even with 'borrowed' documentation - now that's creating criminality!


It's not unfair though is it.

If the limits were set unfairly (or even abused), then it is inherently unfair.

Does a relatively low blanket limit for motorways and DCs sound fair to you when other countries have higher and sensibly varied limits (accounting for traffic density and the weather) ?

Does say, being caught for say 78 on a clear motorway 4 times in 2 years so resulting with a totting up ban and potentially loss of a family’s income, sound remotely proportionate to you? Seriously?

Why can I smell an impending sanctimonious response :roll:
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We improve services by managing people, processes, technology and assets more effectively. We advise policy makers, design innovative solutions, integrate systems and - most of all - deliver to the public.

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It's pretty obvious that someone here believes the law is an end.

The law is a means, it is supposed to protect the reasonable and prudent majority.

To play the devil's advocate somewhat badly, I know that there are speed cameras in Germany.

To make a long story short, either:

A) German speed limits are more reasonably set
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B) there should be a website named "Sichere Geschwindigkeit" in progress

Either way, the point is that most people drive in a reasonable and prudent manner, and should not be penalized for such behavior.

While I personally believe that 100MpH is prima facie evidence of excessive speed (anyone besides officers trained to drive at that level?), it is his testimony that he thought he was doing quite a bit less and was unaware of his actual speed is damning, not the velocity in and of itself.

He obviously didn't think he was doing anything wrong, otherwise he wouldn't have been unaware enough to fail to notice the officer reeling him in.

What hurts the most is that he was able to hide behind hypocritical doubletalk, which won't do much to improve anything.

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Steve wrote:
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Perhaps they'll just drive anyway because they need to and because they lost respect for what is an unfair and disproportionate system, perhaps even with 'borrowed' documentation - now that's creating criminality!


It's not unfair though is it.

If the limits were set unfairly (or even abused), then it is inherently unfair.

Does a relatively low blanket limit for motorways and DCs sound fair to you when other countries have higher and sensibly varied limits (accounting for traffic density and the weather) ?

Does say, being caught for say 78 on a clear motorway 4 times in 2 years so resulting with a totting up ban and potentially loss of a family’s income, sound remotely proportionate to you? Seriously?

Why can I smell an impending sanctimonious response :roll:
Consider the scale of the issue before you answer!


So you think the system should just ignore infractions of the law that dictates you must not exceed the speed limit?


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The person doing 102 mph und flogging his cameras und taking part in "safety campaigns" has to be one big hypocrite who should have got a longer ban for being a hypocrite :furious: :censored:


He claimed he was "unware of his speed"

Well if he was so - then he should NOT be driving at all. :censored: half baked pretzel. Half the folk pinged by his cams are much safer than he ist. :furious:

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Steve wrote:
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Perhaps they'll just drive anyway because they need to and because they lost respect for what is an unfair and disproportionate system, perhaps even with 'borrowed' documentation - now that's creating criminality!


It's not unfair though is it.

If the limits were set unfairly (or even abused), then it is inherently unfair.

Does a relatively low blanket limit for motorways and DCs sound fair to you when other countries have higher and sensibly varied limits (accounting for traffic density and the weather) ?

Does say, being caught for say 78 on a clear motorway 4 times in 2 years so resulting with a totting up ban and potentially loss of a family’s income, sound remotely proportionate to you? Seriously?

Why can I smell an impending sanctimonious response :roll:
Consider the scale of the issue before you answer!



Indeed. But this person was deliberately speeding und even worse "claimed he was unaware of his speed". This comment makes him dangerous, He should be made to take an extended test. :bunker:

He also received same punishment as the 78 mph x 4 different cams at different points on the same long journey.

He was not copped by his cams. But by real police. No doubt he knows where his scams are.. manipulates them which make him more of a hypocrite.

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weepej wrote:
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I always find it funny when somebody related to the industry gets caught; suddenly speed cameras are GREAT! (although IIRC he was actually stopped by a following police car).


Not entirely sure what you mean here. Do you mean that those who would normally oppose the use of speed cameras temporarily suspend their disagreement for an individual case such as this one?


Quite!


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weepej wrote:
So you think the system should just ignore infractions of the law that dictates you must not exceed the speed limit?

You know what, I'm going to change your username to strawman :D

What I was obviously saying, is to make the penalty in proportion to the offence (being in mind what the law is for - I think The Rush's post sums that up beautifully). Being caught for a blip on a clear motorway/DC-type road (with today's limits anyway) shouldn't result with the loss of 1/4 of one's licence for 3 years; that’s what I mean by proportionate.


Weepej, it seems to me you’ve completely and utterly misunderstood the point of this campaign. It is said within several campaign webpages, including the manifesto webpage, that speed limits are necessary and should be enforced where exceeding it could cause risk of danger. You’ve been a regular here for a while now, how could you not have realised this?

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Steve wrote:
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So you think the system should just ignore infractions of the law that dictates you must not exceed the speed limit?

Weepej, it seems to me you’ve completely and utterly misunderstood the point of this campaign. It is said within several campaign webpages, including the manifesto webpage, that speed limits are necessary and should be enforced where exceeding it could cause risk of danger. You’ve been a regular here for a while now, how could you not have realised this?


Since he can't or won't answer you I'll pretend I'm him :twisted:

Of course I know, I'm just trying to pi$$ you all off.

Take care y'all now and don't forget Speed Kills. In fact it's best if you never shift up from 1st gear IMO

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To make a long story short, either:

A) German speed limits are more reasonably set
or
B) there should be a website named "Sichere Geschwindigkeit" in progress

Interesting you say that Rush. I went to Germany for the first time last year and noticed that I obeyed the law for one very simple reason; they have set their limits reasonably. :clap: I also noticed that once I'd come off the autobahn where I was able to make due progress, I was much more content to plod along in the slower limits.

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