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I do believe they use Ku band as well.

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AGD Systems are the main manufacturer of above ground detection. They also do a wireless link called Janus.

Motus do a video detector called Autoscope.

I dont know what you have seen, but RFID? Dont be so daft. More likely, its a transponder reader for buses/emergency vehicles. Or if its a small black thing on the side of the controller cabinet, its the GSM module for remote fault monitoring.

Do you really think that a covert surveillance system could be installed in traffic signals without *someone* knowing about it, more particularly the signals engineers up and down the country?

Yeesh!

But they are all sworn to secrecy (OSA) as part of the conspiracy.

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Are they really?

*checks contract*

I dont appear to be.

I'm not as suspicious as some contributors to this thread, but do I feel the following needs addressing:


If the hardware is there, systems will have the flexibility to be remotely upgraded when desired. There is no limit to the possible mission creep CCTV offers.

What is the effective hardware/functional difference between an RFID reader and 'a transponder reader for buses/emergency vehicles' ?

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My sister in law should get some photos for us,


A580/A572 Swinton Critchley Corner as known .. has cam hidden behind the bigh rectangular direction sign

Traffic light look like leaning tower of Pisa.


Debris.

Camn as sped cam.. traffic light cam really worked then


I think we have to be realistic as regard information as given

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The hardware/functional difference is that RFID tags work at comparatively low frequencies (1-13MHz) and bus transponders at comparatively high frequencies (1.3GHz to 5.8GHz) therefore the receivers are physically different. The distances that they work are also different (1m or less for RFID and up to 300m for transponders) and the receivers are only connected to the signals controller, not any supposed central network.

What mission creep do you suppose CCTV provides? Do you really think that we are that bothered in watching every where you go for our own gratification? But do you know how frustrating it is for us for a crime to occur, especially when its to a vulnerable person, and there is no footage to try an identify the culprit?

Or when you are approached by the insurers for a collision victim to try and identify liability?

And I am sure you have all seen the old footage of the red ford skidding on the motorway in the rain causing a multiple fatality tailback and getting away scot free...

There is no conspiracy. Most of the people involved aren't competent enough to pull it off! These things really are there to help incident prevention and detection. Big brother is just a figment of a paranoid mind.

Or is it...

What I saw was not on the top of the pole, but below the lights. Not positioned for a good range for RF, but positioned closer to the vehicles passing it?
I think I saw one on M27/M271 but I'm not sure.
It had what looked like a black spy dome on the top and a flat white part underneath.

I don't want to be videoed against my will. I don't want to be treated like I'm a criminal. If you assume I'm a criminal I might as well become one? I don't want my movements logged. I don't want the chance of being near some similar crimes which I had nothing to do with but being accused of it because I was logged. And of course you're ignoring the side-effects - cloned numberplates, less chance of people stopping to help after an accident due to having cloned numberplaces and in case they are sued for trying to save someone, increase in 'hoodies' and people hiding their face as normal thus defeating the spy cameras in the first place. All the real criminals will find a way round it.

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Aren't signals controllers networked?
The frequencies are functionally irrelevant.
RFID works well beyond 1m, it's merely a case of getting the power/sensitivity right; 300m isn’t needed for the uses I can think of.
Anyway, perhaps what Ziltro saw was a transponder?


Congestion charging (as in stopped within congestion, additional to a blanket charge)...


Of course most people have a life of their own; however a surveillance profession would likely attract those interested in the lives of others (not necessarily for 'gratification' as you so sweetly put it), although there must be a level of gratification when they get paid to watch people, offenders or not.


The cameras do little, but thanks to them we now have a generation of hoodies. Better identification has been negated by the collapse of the reform system - best not to draw attention to that bit though eh?


That would need a heck-of-a-lot of cameras, and watchers, for such a scheme to become significantly useful. Who would end up paying for all that?


So we really can't reply upon cameras?


Most of the people don't have to be competent, they only have to be competent enough to put the local tools in place!

Please note: I'm not claiming there is a conspiracy; I have no reason to believe there is any conspiracy above the level of proponents of such schemes gaining their easy meal tickets.

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No they are not. The vast majority of signal controllers use EPS42/45 leased lines to communicate with the UTC system. Very very few use IP, although as an industry it is something we are moving towards.



Active RFID tags yes have a longer read distance than a passive tag, but the tag has to be provided with a power supply. I suppose a very powerful reader could be used, but I doubt it would be fitted to anything on the highway. But the functional frequencies are not so irrelevent. Receivers are different for different frequencies. And I'd like to see what this thingy that Ziltro saw actually is - that way I could probably identify it.



An interesting idea, but the technology is far from there yet and even then you would need fixed cameras. ANPR can be used on moveable cameras but it has to be set in a particular position, so would in fact be generally useless.



It wouldnt need a heck of a lot of watchers, just suitable recording capacity. And after 30 days, that recording capacity is overwritten anyway.



Had there been ANPR though, the records could've been checked and the culprit caught.

Assuming the database was accurate., It happens. It gets a bad press.

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I won’t pretend I know what much of that meant
However, I did pick up on the point that the industry is moving towards networked controllers, therefore there inherently be a move towards networked readers?


All motorised vehicles have a power supply of some sort.


There has been talk of using both ANPR and RFID-type readers together for a CC rollout.


A heck-of-a-lot of cameras would still be needed, and a lot of manpower to sift through all that recorded data for each alleged offence.



You see .... just how many cameras are needed?

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Cameras could be on every street corner for all I care. It still takes a human being to sift through the images to find what "they" are looking for and they only have a window of 30 days to do it.

EPS 42/45 lines are pretty much the analogue version of television. You have a word of 16 bits that is transmitted every second and in that same second you have a window of getting a maximum of 8x16 bits of information back.

Basicly if you listen in on one of these lines all you hear is a chirp chirp chirp chipr. Bit like a fax machine with a stutter.

Yes we shall have network switches in our controllers (Cisco IP switches if they know what theyre doing in terms of best value for money) but hey, any conspiracy theory still relies on hundreds of folks like me keeping their gobs shut... which aint gonna happen.

Even if the mucking database is 100% accurate mistakes will still happen. No system based on vehicle recognition can tell whether the driver is insured. Using the database the way they do is bound to get the police bad press. And they deserve it

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If only it was as simple as that. Knock-on effects have to be considered too, such as the inevitable reduction of active police patrols. Cameras, hoodies and no police, yeah that makes me feel safer! Proponents of such schemes (usually those who stand to gain from them) usually gloss over those kinds of side effects.


That's funny. The claims of effectiveness of speed cameras rely on ~2000 SCP employees keeping their gob shut about RTTM, long-term trend and even 'bias on selection' - and exactly that has happened for the last 5 years (no theory here, conspiracy or not)!

Perhaps well-paid gobs have a habit of remaining shut?

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My take on all this is that given the financial crisis that ALL world Governments are experiencing, they are all looking for ways to maintain a falling "Tax take" as intake from collapsing employment and industry bites harder. A ridiculously slow 20mph speed limit on dual carriageways for example because there is a school nearby. ..And it will become a favourite speed Camera spot Or perhaps your bin is too full, or your car is parked 20mm over the parking bay line! Maybe that bulb in your porch is too high a wattage for the greeny's! .............. Whatever it is, there will be a camera there to record it. Kerching!

After all, we can't expect the super-rich to pay the same percentage in tax from their income as we do can we?..............or can we?
So they are going to get it from you!

Ooops! sorry, there I go again...


Maybe we should ALL go back to talking in POUNDS rises rather than %ages in future eh? Lets all talk the same language for once!

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I think youre talking about the things that look like CCTV on the top of the actual traffic light. In which case to the best of my knowledge: no they are not speed, or red light, cameras.