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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 14:38 
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Radar gun trial sees cut of 2mph

A four-month scheme which allowed Cumbrian residents to catch speeding motorists saw speeds reduced by less than 2mph, police figures show.
Last year people in Brampton were given police radar guns to help combat drivers who break the speed limit.
Between August and November average speeds in monitored 30mph areas fell from 39.2mph to 37.7mph.
Cumbria Police admitted the reduction was small, but said it could still help prevent deaths or serious injuries.
In August and September volunteers monitored the speed of 239 vehicles in hot spot areas across Brampton and found the average speed was 39.2mph.

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In October and November, they repeated the exercise at the same locations and monitored the speed of 124 vehicles and found they were averaging 37.7mph.
All of the areas have a 30mph speed limit and the fastest vehicle was clocked at 59mph.
All those who were spotted were issued with warning letters.
A Cumbria Police spokeswoman said: "Ideally we would like to see every motorist driving under the 30mph limit and hopefully as we continue with the initiative average speeds will continue to fall.
"It is extremely encouraging to see that we are starting to make a difference and that speeds are beginning to fall.
"Brampton is a busy market town, with lots of children and pedestrians around, and the behaviour of some motorists poses a real threat.
"Residents felt it would only be a matter of time before there was a nasty accident, so we decided to do something proactive to tackle the issue."

Well let's see what spin was applied to this one.

Is the summer month of August not usually drier/more inclement when compared to the august month of November? Would one expect reasonable drivers to slow down in relatively worse conditions? Judging by the sample number, it looks like the survey was performed over a short period of time, that's nowhere near enough to cater for the ever changing weather patterns - they could have been operating on a sunny day in August and a damp day in November. Yet they are hailing this as a 'proven success' and are planning to roll out the scheme based on these findings.

Were some of the monitored 'hot spots' within the village or the outskirts of it? (the road in question is a nice-looking NSL - A6071, so these hotspots could be outside and the speeds reasonable)

If the average is 39.2mph (outside of the village), would it not more appropriate to raise the limit to something people will respect, therefore avoiding needless criminalisation as well as greatly reducing unpredictable behaviour, complementing that with reasonable safety measures such as pedestrian crossings?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 15:17 
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Yes, like in my village where the 30mph limits extend too far out from the village centre. The effect is that most drivers increase speed to 40mph as they leave the built up area (which is perfectly safe as the hazard density has fallen) but are then "lawbreakers". It would be much better to have the limits set reasonably.

You do get the limit lurkers who insist on dropping to 30mph right on the sign and then we all crawl behind them.

I have taken the Parish Council to task on this on a couple of occasions but to no avail.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 16:32 
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I'm afraid I tend to be a 'limit lurker', which on a couple of occasions has saved me from the "Safety Partnership Lurkers" who like to enforce these 'buffer zones' outside villages on rural roads, particularly when the 'buffer zone' is on a bend! Also for IAM and ROSPA test purposes you have to be a 'limit lurker' . What annoys me most of all when exiting a village is finding you are being overtaken by some impatient driver just when passing the NSL sign and you want to accellerate yourself to make progress. The number of times I've been tempted to 'hang the overtaker out to dry"...

This difference in behaviour between law breakers and law abiders in these buffer zones only adds to the danger.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 17:15 
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The number of times I've been tempted to 'hang the overtaker out to dry"...
.....mmmm I hope you don't live round by me, you sound like someone to look out for!!!

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flyingbanana wrote:
I'm afraid I tend to be a 'limit lurker', which on a couple of occasions has saved me from the "Safety Partnership Lurkers" who like to enforce these 'buffer zones' outside villages on rural roads, particularly when the 'buffer zone' is on a bend! Also for IAM and ROSPA test purposes you have to be a 'limit lurker' . What annoys me most of all when exiting a village is finding you are being overtaken by some impatient driver just when passing the NSL sign and you want to accellerate yourself to make progress. The number of times I've been tempted to 'hang the overtaker out to dry"...

This difference in behaviour between law breakers and law abiders in these buffer zones only adds to the danger.

IMO the limits in a lot of "buffer zones" are set wrongly (for political reasons) and, indeed, you imply in your post that you too, using your own judgement, would travel a little faster if the inappropriate limit was changed. The SCPs enforce in these areas generally on request of local busybodies who object to anyone driving past their houses at any speed. Who generally get caught? Why, the locals themselves who have been safely travelling above the limits every day of their lives.

The overtaking which you mention might actually be promoted by the inappropriately low limit extending too far although I would not condone any hazardous manoeuvre.

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flyingbanana wrote:
I'm afraid I tend to be a 'limit lurker', which on a couple of occasions has saved me from the "Safety Partnership Lurkers" who like to enforce these 'buffer zones' outside villages on rural roads, particularly when the 'buffer zone' is on a bend! Also for IAM and ROSPA test purposes you have to be a 'limit lurker' . What annoys me most of all when exiting a village is finding you are being overtaken by some impatient driver just when passing the NSL sign and you want to accellerate yourself to make progress. The number of times I've been tempted to 'hang the overtaker out to dry"...

This difference in behaviour between law breakers and law abiders in these buffer zones only adds to the danger.


I'm with you there, except there isn't much I can hang out to dry...

The letter of the law says you can't exceed 30, then they'll bloody nab you for what is the most technical of technical offences and makes a mockery of what they will have us believe they are trying to a achieve. Trouble is that most people have slowed up for the more hazardous bits so there isn't the rich pickings.


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