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Just a bit of trivia, I've been to the Schmacher's family business - they sell Skodas in Austria, near Zell-am-zee if I recall correctly. There is also the Schumacher Carting School near by. A lovel part of the world and if you are into Nazi memorabilia, Hiltler's famour mountain top retreat, "Eagles Nest" is near by as well.

I understand that Hilter could drive, contrary to what some people say, but chose to be chaufeured as he was a numpty driver.

I make it quite clear that I am not implying that all nazi's and neo-nazi's are numpty drivers! They are probably very good, but I do say Steve McQueen could ride a bike better than a Nazi.

Hopefully I haven't upset anyone on this one.

Yes, I've been there several times - it's over the border, though, at Bergtesgarden. There is a fine all-year ski slope at Hinter Tux, just up the valley. And Mayerhofen isn't bad, although on the low side.



He ordered the construction of the Autobahn system. Some numpty, eh?



Then how come he got all tangled up in barbed wire, then?

Yes. The issue is one of causality. You cause more risk by driving fast, so you need more skill to account for that. If you didn't speed, there would be less risk, and you would not depend on great skills.

It's telling, because of all the "many other things" that constitute skill, you choose speed control as the most important. The authorities also identified speed as the crucial factor - that's why they use speed cameras.

You seem to be coming around to my way of thinking!

PS: That sounds horrible, so sorry But look, I'm only saying where it leads?!?

Reverse logic .... I love it....A grapes not an apple so it must be a banana....right!

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Thanks, now I've got coffee all over my keyboard.



Joking apart, I'm sure I read early in his "career" he had some monstrous 6-litre Mercedes thing which he was known to drive round Munich like the clappers.



That could be described as the "numpty's motto".

By that argument, if you only ever do 45 in 60 limits, you could be a 33% worse driver and it would still be ok.... Still, it makes you easier to overtake I suppose, as long as you can still manage to drive in a straight line for a bit.

I'm reminded of the female numpty (numptess?) who rang the Jeremy Vine show when they were talking about people not indicating, and said in all seriousness that she didn't need to indicate, because she always obeyed the speed limit.

The fact with anything in life is, the better you become at it the easier and safer it becomes at a lower level. So in Abercrombies example of the Hintertux Glacier, an all round ski area where many of the worlds ski teams practice all year round, at what would to most of us, be break neck speeds. But the fact is when these guys finish for the day they potter off down the red runs with a big bundle of slalom poles over one shoulder, as if they were strolling down the high street and still ski safer than ANY recreational skier.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

So tell me Abercrombie, if you were safely doing 60mph yesterday in a but today they have changed it to a does that mean 24 hours ago you were taking more risk and in need of greater skills? Did you feel out of your comfort zone yesterday?

Why would you then moderate your speed to the new posted on the same road if you feel or is that much safer by your definition?

To quote you “I'm only saying where it leads?”

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Ho ho ho ... so anybody can drive very fast, whether they have skill or not? And Schumacher's just lucky! Don't make me laugh, J...

The answer to the first part (were you taking more risk?) is “dunno”. I wasn't there, so I don't know what it was like before. And the answer to the second part (did I need greater skills) is “what the heck does that mean?” Greater than what, when, where? I wasn't even there...



Well, I don't know what it was like there. I can't visualise the road you are describing. I don't know what it is like, so I don't know what speed I'd do.

I would never dream of putting speed cameras on racing circuits.

You know perfectly well the point I'm making and if you purport to do any amount of travel you should be able to relate exactly to what I said. If that isn't a complete side step I don't know what is?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

So tell me Abercrombie, if you were safely doing 60mph yesterday in a you know of in your area but today they have changed it to a does that mean 24 hours ago you were taking more risk and in need of greater skills? Did you feel out of your comfort zone yesterday?

Why would you then moderate your speed to the new posted on the same road in the area you know if you feel or is that much safer by your definition?

If the question is too TOO HARD to answer just say so and we will move onto something else...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Yes but the fact is , at the end of the day these guys with the poles on shoulders are skiing off down the same slopes as the recreational skiers (amongst them) only a lot faster and SAFER!

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

It's hard to measure. If, over a period of time after, less accidents happen on that stretch, then chances are that I was taking more risk before the change.



I wouldn't. I rarely go at the limit - 20 is plenty, as they say. I trend to do 50 on the m-way, maybe I'll push to 55 or even 60 if I'm really going for it!

As a very experienced skier, I can assure you that the only lanes at Hintertux are in front of the chair lifts, and they don't ski any faster than me in those lanes! I can also assure you that a fall on the slopes is rarely as bad as a car smash.

Is the issue the change in the figure by multiples of 10 miles per hour?

Otherwise the only point that I can see here is the logical extrapolation that we shouldn't have any speed limits because at some point in history we didn't have any and we felt safe then.

That’s not it at all. I’m merely interpolating it in accordance with Abercrombie’s argument.

While people out there need to get about because of their jobs and logistics companies depend on getting resources from A to B quickly, safely and legally - he acts as self appointed traffic control officer.

I’m guessing that driving, especially high mileage, isn’t a part of his living?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Don't make me laugh....I would guess that your skiing is about as experienced as your driving....

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

So B Cyclist, why is a road that was 60MPH yesterday ( and 70 MPH in the seventies), only safe for a 40MPH limit today?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

By the way Abercrombie, Experienced skiers (and beginners too) called thenm there "lanes", pistes. During the summer months there are about 12 open and at least 4 off them are served by T Bars.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.