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No, it is perfectly realistic to label them as I have, the idea that other people shouldn't do X so they shouldn't complain about me doing Y is absolutely a typical anal British attitude. Ultimately its the very reason we're having this 'debate', have had this debate in the past and will have it again in the future.
The problem we have here is that of 'compliance by opinion'; where people are given the opportunity to use their own judegement then human nature will dictate that different opinions will form. Lane discipline is IMHO one aspect of the HC which should de-opinionated with the correct behaviour being mandated not made optional. We may not put an overnight stop to middle lane hogging, but with a suitable ad campaign the lane 'indisciplined' would at least know how they should now behave.

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

I recently came upon a man on the M6 Toll in the middle lane, all on his own, going about 65 mph. The inside lane was clear as far as the eye could see.

Why for heavens sake ?

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Good manners maketh a good motorist

If I may play devil's advocate - although I do pull over when someone wants to pass, I dislike driving in L1 for any great distance for one reason. A lot of cars, mine included, are prone to 'tramlining' because of the ruts in L1 - which can be very uncomfortable.

Perhaps if they resurfaced the motorways more than once in every 10,000 years...

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Only when ideology, prejudice and dogma are set aside does the truth emerge - Kepler

Safedriver,

Well, he had paid for his space.

C.

Rigpig,

At least the opportunity to use our own judgement beats political correctness.

C.

First - it isn't political correctness to use the roads properly. Lets not abuse the term.

Second - If the opportunity to use own judgement results in diametrically opposed viewpoints and hence behaviours then we have the catalyst for road rage as you have already discovered. That is not conducive to good road safety. In some instances I am happy for drivers judgement to be taken away from them, particularly in instances where they demonstrate en-masse that too many are not capable of exercising their judgement wisely and altruistically.

Thirdly - Observing that someone has paid for the space they are using is another typically British excuse for poor behvaiour. I've paid my dues/taxes/fare so up yours

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

It's shocking how I agree with everything you say


I'm sure it can't be too much for people to understand that there is no other way to interpret 'Keep left unless overtaking' apart from literally?

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Smokebelching,CO2 making,child murdering planet raping,granny mugging,politically incorrect globally warming (or is it climate changing now it's getting colder?)thug.
That's what the government want you to believe of me. If they get back in I'm emigrating.

I wonder how the folk debating on here would interpret my lane discipline?

I always position myself for minimum risk overall. This for the most part means, when the road is otherwise empty, to the point that there is at least 20 seconds before I catch up with anything or anything catches up with me, my position is for optimum visibility and/or maximm tolerance to mechanical drift. Typically this is "tearing along the dotted line" between L2 and 3 or, on a 2-each-way road, the dotted line between 1 & 2.

If anything is appraoching from behind, at or around the 30-seconds to catch-me-up point I will be in the leftmost lane (having been already adjusting speed to a secondary degree up or down to ensure any overtake I am to make is either over or not started before the carcher-upper caeches up or is past me respectively.

If I am catching up traffic in front, I will be in the rightmost lane, with speed asjusted to avoid the above scenario and/or avoid a too slow or too fast differential speed for an overtake.

Nope, the only dimension he has paid for is his distance, all other dimensions are still subject to sharing and cooperation with other road users.

Nos,

Yes, the autocratic impulse can creep up on us. It's good that you have recognised it.

C.

Robin,

You said that he was all on his own. Who was he sharing and cooperating with?

C.

Nos,

Why is traffic travelling faster in L2 and L3 than traffic in L1, not 'overtaking'?

C.

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More rules and regulations please! (Not)

Oh dear

In most aspects of our lives we have complete freedom of choice which, if we screw it up, only affects ourselves.
Driving, by its very nature, is very regulated, probably the most regulated activity the average citizen is routinely involved in. It has to be this way if we are to ensure that everyone piloting 1 ton plus of metal around the country knows how they should behave, and knows how they can expect others to behave if we are all to interact as smoothly and safely as possible.
So I'm sorry to shoot you down again, but its NOT the mark of an autocrat to insist that people who voluntariliy exercise their freedom of choice to drive, simply do it in accordance with a set of baseline rules. It is not the mark of an autocrat to demand (in the system sense) that they consider the effect that their own behaviour has on others, rather than coming up with coping tactics other drivers should adopt to accomodate their own slovenly attitude and behaviour.
And if you want the autocrat argument burying further, go and drive in Germany. It is a joy compared with the chaotic and often unpredictable behaviour of British drivers because their Highway Code is not voluntary, it is all enshrined in law. And the Germans don't appear to feel the need to inflict their driving behaviour on others and then have the temerity to try and tell those others how they should cope with it.

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

the rather quieter nature of the m6 toll does highlight the behaviour nicely
that said.... the quieter nature makes it rather easier to deal with.

I'd suggest you are possibly giving yourself an unecessarily heavy workload?

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Sounds complicated: I just keep left unless overtaking!

This effect is particularly noticable with old Landrovers!

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"The road to a police state is paved with public safety legislation"

Rigpig,

I wish that were true.





Some people might argue that avoiding avoidable lane hopping is smooth and safe.




I don't feel shot down just yet.



I'm not sure I would describe the driving behaviour of most of British drivers as 'slovenly'.



Germans - autocratic? What a strange idea!



No, but they are usually first onto the beach.

C.

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More rules and regulations please! (Not)

Oh you have been. Every time you metaphorically open you mouth in this thread your argument is torn apart. But, just like Gordon Brown with the immigration issue, you can't see that it has or are simply blundering on regardless, and thats the sad thing

And yes, you do pretty much have freedom of choice in what you do, don't believe every sensationalist headline the Daily Mail prints. The two words I've highlighted are important.

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

As I have to explain,you probably won't understand but if it is safe to pull into L1 without reducing your speed or inconveniencing another vehicle then you should do so. PROPER forward planning will mean you're not stuck there.

The motorway is not a anarchist commune where people can mince around doing what they like as long as their intentions are good and damn the consequences. It's a highly dangerous place with thousands of tonnes of metal moving at speeds that kill when they hit things. If you were in a trench under enemy fire and you decided to go for a wander towards the enemy as 'after all, I was being non aggressive and I meant him no harm' would you wonder why he shot you? Why do it on the motorway?

Follow the 'keep left' rule and use PROPER forward planning and you'll never have a major problem unless you encounter someone who's behaving like a moron. This is an absolute and not up for dicussion. You don't have a big flashing sign up on your car explaining your actions-so DO IT PROPERLY . Until we all become telepathic it's the only way to do it. Those who do it for a living do it that way. Perhaps people should learn from them.

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Smokebelching,CO2 making,child murdering planet raping,granny mugging,politically incorrect globally warming (or is it climate changing now it's getting colder?)thug.
That's what the government want you to believe of me. If they get back in I'm emigrating.