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But who has said so?



Yes, there is a school of thought that believes if we adjust the language enough, we'll eventually sort out the problems. I think it's called "political correctness" in some circles. We don't hold with PC around here, and I don't think the notation we use matters much, as long as we adhere to common ones.

Perhaps if you did it a little more often you wouldn't be so crap at it?



no, I won't. but some overtaking is safer than not overtaking.

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Just to throw something into the mix I use "inside", "middle" and "outside" for my definition. If there are four lanes the first 2 are "inside" lanes. How's that for against the norm

I use left, middle, right and occasionally fourth etc.

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- James May

Now now, handy ... you know the rules.



Some "not overtaking" is certainly safer than overtaking, but is that your point? Lane changing is reputed to be a risky moment, so I am told.

Ahh, big heavy cars, lots of lanes and legal undertaking, that would explain it.




Compressing lane movements that way would probably lead to problems.



A common misconception, the term you needed was natural selection. If the natural instinct of humans was to 'go with the flow' then we probably would have evolved into grazing animals. To some environmentalists this would have been ideal and would now love us to move towards this as a racial goal. That aside any successful lane management system would have to take into account human psychology not members of the Bovidae family.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Please do your best to keep to the point instead of diverting the discussion. Without genetic mutation, there would be no natural selection.

I tend to use “the slug lane”, “the middle lane” and “the bastard’s lane”. I think that gives more accurate impressions of how they are used.

It also demonstrates your pathetic attitude and embarassing mindset.

So you're suggesting that anyone who uses L1 is a slug and anyone who uses L3 is a bastard? That's just charming, that is.

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Wrong again, but to keep on track I will not bother explaining why suffice to say you are in the majority and it does not imply that any other of your statements are incorrect.



I was sticking to the point here, humans are not predisposed to moving in large groups at equal speed. Successful management of people plays towards human needs and drives not against it.


Digression read at your own risk ----

Actually herding and flocking behaviour would not really match what you propose but on a superficial level is much closer than human behaviour in crowds.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

And that just demonstrates your pathetic spelling! Com’on, keep your shirt on, it was “tonge” in cheek (again)! Let’s be straight here, L1, L2, L3 does absolutely nothing to describe what the lane “is”. And we all know that slow stuff sticks to the left, fast stuff to the right, and easy going in the middle. That’s the contract we drive by, like it or lump it. I said I’d cut some slack to the guys behind if it doesn’t put me out much. What more do they want?

Quiters never win, toltec. I'm quoting a source who has a PhD in the life sciences from Cambridge Uni, and says that natural selection depends on genetic mutation. Please don't cause more embarrassment about this, as Richard Dawkins (I take it you've read his work) also takes that position.



If you're making the obvious point that we don't like queues, then please use plain English. The flip side is that we don't like mobs either.

Well, perhaps I'm a little harsh sometimes, but that's the idea, yes. The point is that those names are so very unattractive. We hate being a slug, but we sort of like being a bit of a bastard, don’t we? But if it pleases you, lets use the “taking the dog for a walk” lane, the “run of the mill” lane and the “lewis hamilton” lane.

Personally I use ALL available lanes, depending on the traffic conditions. And yes, if the traffic is heavy, or it's bad weather I WILL join the 'slugs' in L1 because often times 56mph is quite fast enough, and I'd trust an HGV driver far more than I'd trust a car driver.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Make your mind up. Try not to contradict yourself. Plain enough for you.


Dawkins does not take that position, natural selection can occur without mutation, try reading 'Climbing Mount Improbable', natural selection can be driven by environmental changes for instance. We are at risk of getting tied up in semantics around the terms, mutation, selection and evolution something which at your request I was trying to avoid the digression into. Except by your terms not digressing is quitting. I refer you to my initial plain statement as you requested.

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

My god, this thread has turned way downhill, as I guess was inevitable! What I see now is a bunch of excuses for driving in a selfish fashion, with diversion tactics of accusing anyone who wants to pass of being the selfish ones.

"Mummy, lane changing is too hard, and its dangerous."

I think the one thing we can take from this pathetic excuse for a debate is that we should push strongly for motorway driving to be taught and assessed before drivers are allowed to go solo on them!

Incidentally, does anyone know what a 'quiter' is? Is it someone who likes to agree by saying 'quite'? Perhaps I am one...

Folks,

There is some sense in using the terms: slow, middle and fast to describe the lanes on a three lane motorway.

If L2 and L3 are the appropriate lanes for overtaking, then it would be logical to assume that the traffic in these lanes is going faster than the traffic in L1, otherwise they wouldn't be - well - err - overtaking?

That's the science as I understand it.

C.

See my earlier posting. I drove all the way from Tormarton (J18) to Swindon (J15) on the M4 last night in L1 undertaking all the MLMs at... <cough> 3 figure speeds.

Two lanes of cars dawdling past each other at 65mph and me doing "some" miles per hour down the nearside lane.

Which is the "fast" lane now?

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sorry ... you were undertaking with a differential speed of over 30mph ??



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