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Does everyone here recall non-smokers saying they didn't go to pubs because they were so smoky, but they'd be able to once the smoking ban came in? Anyone seen any new faces in their local since? I haven't....

I suspect that beer at £3/pint may have more to do with it!

Our local Con club (Its technically a working mens club interestingly) is doing a roaring trade despite the smoking ban and the fact that many of the regulars are smokers. But then the booze is a good bit less expensive!


However I can see that the smoking ban may have been the last straw for pubs that were already struggling. Pubs are a bit like busses, all the proffit comes from 10% of the customers. a small fall in clientell (for whatever reason) can wipe the buisness out completly.

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Folks,

With reducing breathalyser limits we soon won't even be able to have one glass of lager with a meal at a country pub, never mind not being able to smoke.

Why go there? Surely not for the pleasure of a country drive.

God, I'm having a Victor Meldrew moment.

C.

Not in the slightest Malcolm, the increased risk is only present from 9am to 3pm (or whatever the school hours are).

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Probably more down to the fact that a non smoker, especially the kind that made an issue about smokey pubs, are far more likely to be the kind of people who consider more than 2 small glasses of white wine once a month as incompatible with their healthy living aspirations.

Meanwhile the non-smoking drinkers who kept the pub alive probably drop in for a couple, see that most of their mates aren't there, then go home or go round their mates houses to play playstation and breath smokey air

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Indeed, something I've often said before - the kind of people who were so concerned about smoke in pubs that they actively avoided visiting them are not those who are likely to spend much time or money drinking in pubs anyway.

Take the smoke away and they'll complain about the smell of farts or stale beer.

I see it's reported today that 57 pubs are closing each month

http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/news ... oryid=9001

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I have, as it happens. A mate owns a pub. He was worried the smoking ban would cost him trade.

What happened was that his lunchtime trade increased because more people went there to eat (his wife insisted on smoking wherever she wanted!) and the evening trade is up as well.

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The problem is that if someone reports a fire a fire engine is sent to deal with it.

So the firebomb protesters are tying up fire engines and wasting money. And as for people blowing them up? If they should hurt anyone else during such an operation or even kill them, that would really help the cause of sorting out road safety.

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There will be some amongst us who are appalled at the destructiveness and lawlessness that the very large number of images present.

I for one think it is a good counter to the incessant propaganda, much of it half truth and lies emanating from DfT, Brake, PACTS et al. Trouble is the average MoP has no real idea about the truth of this sort of thing.

I am sure the government has embargoed the media acknowledging that these devices really are almost universally unpopular.

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We live in a time where emotions and feelings count far more than the truth, and there is a vast ignorance of science (James Lovelock 2005)

The government have yet again mangaged to create a crime where none existed before.

Cameras are but in place, they don't improve road safety but they do cause anger and resentment. Instead of taking the hint and removing the offending articlesthe 'authorities', determined not to be beaten by yobbish elements, crack down. I've seen cameras watching cameras in Warks!

Then they’ll need a third camera to watch the other two...

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

Dixie,

Yes, this was the method of surveillance favoured by the now defunct East German 'Stasi' police.

e.

Sorry but you can't hear someone speeding

Bike engines rev higher than car engines so Joe Public just assumes they must be speeding.

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Re vera, cara mea, mea nil refert

Hampshire,

When my Kwaki's on song it's not doing under 30mph in any gear!

e.

Erm... no. I've seen them myself. 80mph. One straggler was going faster still to catch up with the main pack. Besides, if one moment they're out of earshot and then they're passing by shortly afterwards with a deafening roar, it's clear that a very high speed has been attained. The rate of the crescendo of their engine noise gives that away.

Are you suggesting they have nights when they stick to 30?

You just proved my argument - you "saw" them speeding

I know am being very literal here - But You cannot prove the speed of something from it's sound alone.

The Doppler effect doesn't count because that's just relative motion.

I am Just fed up with people saying things like "I heard them speeding around town"

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Hampshire - I don't know what point you're trying to make. Yes, I SAW them speeding - at 80mph. With decades of driving experience, I know what 80mph looks like.

The same gang of bikers passes through my village once or twice a week. And, like I said, my friend hears their engines.

Happy now?

In the old USSR they used to joke that Bulgarian secret policemen always went around in threes - one who could read, one who could write, and one to keep an eye on the two dangerous intellectuals!

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Haha - that one will be passed on.

C.

Hmmmn!

Wearing my "Troll" hat!

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I might not be able to judge the "speed" but I can judge the "Urgency"!

Anybody winding an engine (Bike or car) up to "full chat" in a residential area is unlikly to be pooteling arround at 15MPH (or even 40 for that matter!)

Unless they are deliberatly doing 28 in first, (which is also damn antiscocial unless they have a damn good reason to do so!)

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