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IMO guys, Al Gore is a Patsy........

He was dispossesed of the Presidents Office and HE knows it. BUT, He was promised a "prize" if he would "make a film"......

"An Inconvenient truth" it was called...... and it was promoted by the best Media in the World ..to be the Truth!

The film: " An Inconvenient Truth" ...WAS ...In reality....." A Very Convenient Lie!"

In other words, how to convince the Western World it was GOOD for them to burn LESS FUEL in order to burn an agreed 50% increase in Global fuel demands in Eurasia by 2015.

(Isn't "Global Warming and CO2 a bitch!)

In other words, the fuel giants are making sure that YOU pay MORE (and burn less) whilst shifting the fuel to the lower paid Eurasion markets in order to make MORE PROFIT!. More profits for them!...........lower wages for you!...


Isn't Global "Capitalistism" great?.........Don't you feel enrichened?

You think it's bad now, just wait a bit longer.......

1984 will come back and bite you!

One thing! Don't blame the Socialists!....................


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The Bali conference was the funniest thing I have seen for a long time.

10,000 people jetting in from all over the world to try to reduce emissions (from aircraft?) and crowding into rooms air conditioned by power hungry systems. Hypocrites. These are the people who advocate teleworking to reduce emissions from commuting.

One of the chairmen was crying about his frustrations (wimp). It really upset me as well to see these misguided idiots who really think that they can make any difference to climate change. They are like King Cnut (only with the letters in a different order).

Nothing useful was agreed.

The new world religion's worshippers getting together to reinforce their prejudices? Yes maybe, but more likely the world's politicians plotting how to control their populations by using the "environmental stick".

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Yes maybe, but more likely the world's politicians plotting how to control their populations by using the "environmental stick".


I’m afraid I'd have to agree with this. So sad that people can’t see what’s coming.

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http://www.newstatesman.com/200712190004


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Did you read the 'environmental editors' response to the article?

http://www.newstatesman.com/200801140011

It's an interesting rebuttal but one which stinks of someone who was shocked to see his paper/website post something against climate change and fired an instant response without really thinking about what he was saying.

In opening he claims that you can't base temperature change on as much as decades! because it might not go up in a decade..

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So you won’t, by definition, see climate change from one year to the next - or even necessarily from one decade to the next. But look at the change in the average over the long term, and the trend is undeniable: the planet is getting hotter.


So - one decade is not long enough to show some doubt, but just three decades (1980-2008) is long enough to be considered long term and conclusive?

He then goes on to show a graph from 1980, as usual, followed by a claim that the original article cherry picked. There are some right gems in there... which I'll list out below simply to demonstrate the hypocrisy of the 'environmental editor'

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These are the periods when global warming ‘stopped’ for a whole 8 years (on average), in the flawed Whitehouse definition – although, as astute readers will have quickly spotted, the crucial thing is what year you start with


What year you start with influences how bad things look does it? :o - let's start with the period in earths history where there was no ice then shall we - no? You'd rather start just 25 years ago instead...

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In scientific parlance, this is called ‘cherry picking’, and explains how Whitehouse can assert that "since [1998] the global temperature has been flat" – although he is even wrong on this point of fact, because as the graph above shows, 2005 was warmer.


I thought you said you shouldn't point out year to year differences as these could just be normal fluctuations?
Oh... but 2005 was warmer?
So it proves things are going up?
Even though all those around it since 1998 were less than 1998...

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Hence the announcement by the World Meteorological Organisation on 13 December, as the Bali climate change meeting was underway, that the decade of 1998-2007 was the “warmest on record”.


Hang on... I'm struggling to stay with you here. SO - 1998 was hotter than all but 2005, which was the same temperature. The average over the decade was not higher than the temperature in 1998... so, in essence we've not got any hotter in an entire decade since a previous high point?
*hears response about one year not mattering, it's the average which counts*
But you guys ALWAYS point to 1998 as proof of warming, now you're saying we shouldn't look at one off hot years as anything other than blips?
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just because all the experts agree doesn’t make them right – it just makes them extremely unlikely to be wrong.


Hahaha woah? What? 1. Half of the 'experts' are in fact not experts, they are politcians and non-climate related scietists. 2. Not even all of them agree. 3. So, by your reckoning, if a group of people agree... they're unlikely to be wrong? Just cos they agree... doesn't it matter what others think?



Unbelievable. Sorry for the rant to nobody in particular, saw that article and had to get it off my chest how unreal it is that the idiot given the title environmental editor is allowed to spew such hypocrisy


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Lynas is just a typical media "environmental" journalist. His academic qualifications IIR are in History and Politics. Whereas, of course, Dr Whitehouse is an established and respected solar scientist.

I know who I'd bet my money on to be correct!!

(Edited to add) I know that this is effectively an ad hominem on Mr Lynas, but there are certain scientific subjects better left to scientists!

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Looks like the "scientists" are trying to turn up the wick on climate change worries. It must be time to submit their applications for research funding... :P

climate change cobblers

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Experts including Sir John Houghton, one of Wales’ most eminent scientists, say the Bill, which commits the UK to at least 60% reductions in greenhouse gases by 2050, is out of date.

Based on the latest science, including the most recent assessment by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the scientists believe a reduction of more like 80% is necessary.


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Haha. Whenever a new % cut is announced it's more than the last one, and the eco's always say it should be 10-20% more (else they'll be out of a job) - this is turn makes the policiticians look not so fucking bastard like, although it is them controlling it all ensuring the ecos still get paid


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I think 80% is possible by 2050.

By then our entire manufacturing industry will have been exported to China and Russia who don't give a shit about the environment. Our economy will be so knackered that we will be living like a 3rd world country.

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When our CO2 emissions are reduced by 200-300%, and the country receives food parcels from the third world, the environmentalists will have major problems. They will not be able to go to the 23rd world environmental conference [in a sunny, balmy, pacific island resort] because we will not be able to operate any aircraft from here. Their attempts at video conferencing will be met with derision, because the wind won't be blowing and the servers will all be down.


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Lynas is just a typical media "environmental" journalist. His academic qualifications IIR are in History and Politics. Whereas, of course, Dr Whitehouse is an established and respected solar scientist.

I know who I'd bet my money on to be correct!!


The fact that Lynas is described as a "Climate change writer and activist" makes one wonder if his viewpoint may not entirely be based on scientific principles.

No vested interests there, of course :hehe:

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the theory of man made global warming or climate channge as it is now called i complete b*ll*cks


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Global warming. It may well be real, but it is not all that it might seem.

Volcanic action could be partially to blame. It says here. ;)
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Global warming. Just another way to control people and get rich [for some]
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For example, Jonathon Porritt, chairman of the UK government’s Sustainable Development Commission, rejected King’s advocacy of nuclear power precisely because of its technological emphasis: ‘Pulling a technological megafix, like nuclear power, out of the hat is easier from a political point of view, but it misses the essence of climate change which is transforming people’s lives.’ (4) For Porritt, then, technology gets in the way of the moral project - telling us how to live.

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today some environmentalists openly call for a recession which will have the effect of people losing their jobs and becoming poorer

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For example, Jonathon Porritt, chairman of the UK government’s Sustainable Development Commission, rejected King’s advocacy of nuclear power precisely because of its technological emphasis: ‘Pulling a technological megafix, like nuclear power, out of the hat is easier from a political point of view, but it misses the essence of climate change which is transforming people’s lives.’ (4) For Porritt, then, technology gets in the way of the moral project - telling us how to live.


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Surely using nuclear power is a good thing, no smoke, no nasty CO2. Wasn't part of the debate of climate change that we could solve the problem with technology? We should all go back to living in huts and having 9 children because only 2 of them will survive untill adulthood.


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I think it is more to do with personal power now. Many of the environ[mental]ists are so obnoxious that their chance in an election is nil. But they have learned now that you don't have to be elected to gain power, you can do it the back-door way. Leave the polos to win office, you can pack the committees with "followers" and make your own laws and ignore democracy.

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For example, Jonathon Porritt, chairman of the UK government’s Sustainable Development Commission, rejected King’s advocacy of nuclear power precisely because of its technological emphasis: ‘Pulling a technological megafix, like nuclear power, out of the hat is easier from a political point of view, but it misses the essence of climate change which is transforming people’s lives.’ (4) For Porritt, then, technology gets in the way of the moral project - telling us how to live.


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Surely using nuclear power is a good thing, no smoke, no nasty CO2. Wasn't part of the debate of climate change that we could solve the problem with technology? We should all go back to living in huts and having 9 children because only 2 of them will survive untill adulthood.


I have always suspected that this is Precisly what drives the deeper motives behind the enviromental movement!

The hatred of Nuclear Power is not about waste or proliferation.

It is because they believe that it provideds a genuine possibility of dodgeing the "energy bullet" without having to sustain a massive drop (like 90-95%) in global population levels and they are concerned at what the longer term consequences of doing this might be

To some extent I sympathise with them. The point is that the globe can quite possibly support indefinatly a small "wealthy" population (IE North American standard of living) It can also support a small "Poor" population (hunter gatherers)

It cannot however support indefinatly a large population of Either! Unfortunatly this is the direction that we are heading for.

The greens fear that a sucessful technical fix for energy will allow the population situation to get far worse before it inevitably tips into catastrophie with the result that the eventual catastrophie will be even more severe.

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Here's an extract from an article by Anthony Gibson, Communications Director of the NFU, in his regular column in the weekly Farming section of the Western Morning News.

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Not a week seems to go by these days without some report or other being issued branding biofuels as the very spawn of the devil for their ineffectiveness in reducing carbon emissions, or their impact on food prices, or the environmental destruction that is supposed to follow in their wake. So when I was asked to speak at a public meeting in Wadebridge last week on the subject of how agriculture can successfully adapt to the decline in oil production, I approached the biofuel situation with some trepidation.

It had occurred to me long before I got to my feet that this was an audience which was unlikely to warm to an enthusiasm shared by George W Bush.

But I was still taken aback by the sheer hostility of the response, when I broached the subject. Not even a tentative endorsement of genetically modified organisms (GMOs) attracted quite the onslaught of critical comment as did my heavily qualified defence of biofuels. Whatever the opposite to flavour of the month may be, biofuels are it.

I find this slightly odd, given that biofuels are virtually the only renewable alternative to oil in transport fuels, that they do (so far as I can see) yield genuine savings in CO2 emissions when compared to petrol and diesel, that environmental safeguards can and are being applied to how they are grown, and that higher food prices may not be such a bad thing. Besides, if you are looking for ways in which agriculture can successfully adapt to a decline in oil production, they can hardly be ignored.

One would have expected the general response to have been something along the lines of: "Well, they won't make a huge difference, but they are a step in the right direction; any environmental damage can be prevented; and if we don't invest in first-generation biofuel technology we shan't be in a position to reap the much greater benefits of second and third generation biofuels when the time comes."

But not a bit of it. The received wisdom seems to be that biofuels are worse than useless, not only because they fail to deliver any real benefits, but because they are seen as an attempt by big business and big government to subvert the climate-change agenda.

The true green believers are not interested in technological solutions. They want to use climate change to drive a whole series of fundamental changes in human behaviour, taking us back to a world in which economies have been relocalised, personal travel has been severely restricted and farming operations are small-scale and organic.

This dawned on me when I attempted to use the argument that biofuels are the only way of reducing the 25 per cent of greenhouse gas emissions produced by road transport.

It rapidly became apparent that to a significant proportion of the audience, the only sensible way to cut the emissions is to cut the transport. People should learn not to drive, still less to fly. I received the strongest possible impression that if a vast new oil reserve were to be discovered somewhere in the world that would guarantee our energy security long into the future, many of those in Wadebridge Town Hall last week would be dismayed to the point of desolation. They hate biofuels with such a passion, not because of the inherent shortcomings of the technology but because it offers the prospect of at least some people continuing with a way of life with which the eco-true believers are in profound disagreement.


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They hate biofuels with such a passion, not because of the inherent shortcomings of the technology but because it offers the prospect of at least some people continuing with a way of life with which the eco-true believers are in profound disagreement.



It would be better to say that they hate everyone with a passion that does not agree with their agenda. Which they have yet to CLEARLY state. Obviously, it is not climate change, or they would not hold their little meeting in places like Bali.

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