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Translation - "these look like another source of revenue to replace the envisaged drop in camera takings as SCP get put out of business"

What was it Mr Bond said --something like "there's money in them thar driving laws "

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Wonderful. So, we've pretty much reached saturation point with speed cameras and still the number of road deaths hasn't fallen and the number of serious injuries (if you ask the hospitals, at least!) has remained similarly static. I don't know about anyone else on here but to me that's as good as an admission that speeding was never the problem it was cracked up to be in the first place!

You've ignored other variables, such as there being less trafpol.

Also, you say that we've pretty much reached saturation point with speed cameras and yet they are still only in the thousands, and almost all of them are of the 'spot' type so they only cover a very small stretch of road.

Do I recall correctly that we only cover about 10% of areas that meet the criteria for a fixed camera (i.e. previous high level of KSIs)?

Quite why we have to wait for people to be killed before one is installed I don't know...

(Good ole Daily Mail, making it sound like this camera actually detects the offence).

It isn't exactly new though, is it ?
On the truvelo site a few years ago it had a comment, overlooked by many, that the new generation of truvelos' could also be used as static video surveillance systems. Funny, it isn't there now....yet I clearly remember it.
Better get used to driving with the sunblind down...and get the side windows "mirrored" (before they make both illegal)
Roll-on the day when bicycles have to have number plates for "identification" purposes....THEN we'll see the cash flow-in.

Er, that is illegal isn't it?

My bold....

Is this man on drugs?

All I can see coming from this is that everybody will be so shit scared that their attention will be everywhere EXCEPT on the road in front of them.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

That is just the tinted ones, you can get car windows that look like mirrors from the outside, but look clear from the inside. In any case, it is just another offence in a long line of car driving offences. Then there is the coating that reflects infrared....

Yes, it's true not every square inch of public tarmac in the UK is covered by a camera (well, not yeat anyway)!

So, about ten years ago, they started with a few cameras...

...and Nationally (despite what the local Scamera Partnerships claimed!) there was NO APPRECIABLE DIFFERENCE.

So they installed some more...
...and Nationally (despite what the local Scamera Partnerships claimed!) there was NO APPRECIABLE DIFFERENCE.

...and then they installed still more...
...and Nationally (despite what the local Scamera Partnerships claimed!) there was NO APPRECIABLE DIFFERENCE.


...and then they statrted putting them in vans...
...and Nationally (despite what the local Scamera Partnerships claimed!) there was NO APPRECIABLE DIFFERENCE.


Now forgive me, but might there be a trend emeging here???

It reminds me that there were a great many passengers on the Titanic who wouldn't believe it was sinking - until their feet actually got wet!





Because if we don't, we could be solving a problem that isn't there!

As it is, I don't think they are rigorous enough with their selection criteria - they ought to be SURE that the deaths were CAUSED by exceeding the speed limit before installing a device that does nothing other than enforce the speed limit in an attempt to solve the problem!

Indeed! - AND variables such as the national car fleet having got safer!

- there are plenty arguments both ways but the fact remains, we haven't seen the drop Nationally that all the local partnerships would have us belive locally. SOMEONE's telling porkies!!! Still, I never thought I'd say it but at least we can agree there are too few trafpol on patrol!



Yes, they ARE a pretty inefficient way of making a stretch of road safer aren't they?!

I'm reminded of the famous words of our local scamera partnership leader when tackled a number of years ago on that very point.

"...ah but they exert a calming influence for some considerable distance either side of the camera site..."

Aye, that'll be right then! - I hope he's lurking!!!

It is for windows ahead of or either side of the driver's head. Those can be tinted but not beyond a certain level of light transmission. That said, I've seen a number of French cars (particularly Renaults) whose screens look "milky" from the outside. I don't know what this is - maybe the "athermic" treatment on them, but it does suggest that there are maybe ways of meeting the legal requirements AND maintaining privacy!

It's just depressing to read really



Yay - it speeds up prosecutions! Wow, what a safety measure



Considering it wasn't considered an actual offence to talk on your mobile or eat until this year (and I was under impression eating was only an offence if coupled with dangerous driving?) then to say this seems very odd, as the days have barely been here, before they are already fed up of the law!



Like a nice little afterthought to try and convince to sheep, which holds absolutely no relevance to what the guy has just said.

Well, it was, not in proper control of your vehicle, some people argue that the original law should've stayed and there should've been no specific law for holding a mobile phone, as both offences you mention were covered by it.

Indeed, but wasn't it only necessary to call it (haha) into action if the driver was driving dangerously or not in full control of the vehicle? Then the new law meant offices were now looking out for very exact offences, even if the driver was coping just fine? (not rhetoric, I'm not 100% sure if i'm right or not)

If you ask me it’s more scaremongering, how do you know the pictures taken where not of people sitting in traffic queues? I wonder if there is other bad news being buried somewhere else.

As I said in another thread, the person who looks to be driving with their feet, looks to me to have them on the air vents. Maybe they where sitting in a traffic queue and cooling their feet. IMO these cameras are just big brother and nothing at all to do with safety.

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So this is a mobile device which is being operated as a speed camera right?
Whats the difference between this device and a traffic officer spotting the offence from a patrol car then? Amounts to pretty much the same thing.

As we now are (supposedly) going to see a new raft of legislation to stop drivers eating / turning on radios / smoking etc. what else are this feeble minded govnmt. going to come up next to penalise the ever flowing cash cow of a motorist as we have had the speed camera debate about "Speed Cameras" save lives ?

Could "weepej" tell this thread how many cameras have caught drunk drivers / uninsured / untaxed / unroadworthy vehicles since they were introduced something that extra police traffic patrols would do if we had them?

Bearing in mind that £1.6m in speeding fines would take a lot of officers time to generate in one year alone (think of the paperwork involved not to mention the officers time etc.) so would you say bye bye to EASY MONEY to the tune of £1.6m FOR ONE YEAR and what about all the money from previous years that the cameras were introduced ?

As it is a well known fact that when there is a notable police presence driving standards improve dramatically as I seem to remember that the "speed cameras" were introduced to release the police into more front line duties yet the traffic police presence has actually "gone down" so who is telling porkies as it is patently obvious to the majority of people that there are a lot less police on traffic duty than there ever was.

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How long will it be before the level of hatred of these infernal devices reaches such a pitch that civil disobedience and downright anarchy is fomented?

Although I disavow lawbreaking, it seems the authorities are hell-bent in getting up the backs of "Middle Englanders" in their dash for cash I predict that shortly, the disruption of their technology in protest, will understandably, become more widespread.