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I found a topic about this on C+ so looked into it a bit. I'm sorry if this has allready been covered, but I didn't see it anywhere.


A TRAFFIC policeman caught driving at 136mph on a notorious stretch of road was yesterday banned for a year.

PC Blair McMaster, 28, was clocked by a speed camera driving north to Inverness on the A9 in his Subaru Impreza WRX estate car.

It is believed at least one other person, understood to be a child, was travelling with McMaster at the time.

His speed on the dual carriageway was almost twice the 70mph limit.

Inverness Sheriff Court heard that McMaster was not facing a more serious charge because of the way his offence was captured by the camera.

Gary Aitken, the fiscal, told the court: "The legislation that covers the use of speed cameras restricts the charge. They can only be used for speeding and not for any of the more significant offences such as dangerous driving."

Mr Aitken explained that McMaster was caught at 3:45pm on 9 November last year at Daviot, on the outskirts of Inverness. He said: "The road surface was wet. It was raining slightly. Traffic volume was moderate."

McMaster, a father of two, was fined £500 by Sheriff Anthony Deuscht and banned for a year. The policeman, who serves with Northern Constabulary, now faces a misconduct hearing.

David Hingston, McMaster’s defence lawyer, said: "He accepts there is no excuse for his speed. He is well aware it was excessive."

When asked what the consequences for McMaster’s career would be, a spokeswoman for Northern Constabulary said: "As this will now be the subject of an internal review of conduct we can make no further comment."

A spokesman for the Police Federation said: "Constable McMaster now faces a police misconduct hearing and it would be inappropriate for him to comment."

Isobel Brydie, chairwoman of the Scottish Campaign against Irresponsible Drivers, said: "We work with the police trying to send out the message that speed kills but that is extremely difficult when one of their own does this.

"I’m pleased that the court has actually given him a ban, as many people caught speeding do not receive bans."

McMaster’s speeding offence follows another case involving a Northern Constabulary traffic policeman.

Bob Kennedy, a police driving instructor, was caught doing 121mph on the same stretch of road at Daviot.

He appeared at Inverness Sheriff Court in January last year and was banned for 18 months and fined £800 after being found guilty of dangerous driving.

Kennedy was required by the Chief Constable to resign from Northern Constabulary. But he later won his job back when the Independent Police Appeals Tribunal ruled that the £30,000-a-year officer was treated too harshly by the force.


Now on C+ a few people are baying for his blood, prison loose his job etc.
I believe that he should be punished for what he did, but why is it that every time a policeman does something like this, people think he should be sacked. The man has been punished, had a lot of stress, he will probably be fined by his force, and has allready had to fight a batle to keep his job. This doen't just affect him, it can effect every aspect of his life, and that of his familly.
I know the police are supposed to set a good example, but even we can make errors of judgement. In reality, (this is not by any means excusing him), he is better qualified to travel at that speed, and was in the right car for that sort of thing.
I don't see an office worker, factory worker etc loosing their job for speeding!!

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"The legislation that covers the use of speed cameras restricts the charge. They can only be used for speeding and not for any of the more significant offences such as dangerous driving."


Sums up my objection to speed cameras.


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"The legislation that covers the use of speed cameras restricts the charge. They can only be used for speeding and not for any of the more significant offences such as dangerous driving."


Sums up my objection to speed cameras.


Exactly.

If he was driving dangerously then he should have been charged with dangerous driving, and each case judged on its merits.

But for someone to be punished, and to lose their job, purely for a technical offence - one which wouldn't have done more than perhaps raise an eyebrow on a similar road in Germany - is a bit beyond the pale.

Not that I'm suggesting that he wasn't driving dangerously, but neither am I suggesting that he was.

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I don't have an issue with people going a bit over the speed limit when the conditions are safe. However he was going at about double the speed limit.

Regardless of his police training, seeing as the road was damp, and and that time it would have been dark, no matter how safely he was driving, 136 mph is a bit more than an error of judgement surely! It's not much of an example to set.


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I don't have an issue with people going a bit over the speed limit when the conditions are safe. However he was going at about double the speed limit.

Regardless of his police training, seeing as the road was damp, and and that time it would have been dark, no matter how safely he was driving, 136 mph is a bit more than an error of judgement surely! It's not much of an example to set.

Yes, but he's been convicted and punished for it (some might say too severely).

BTW, this case has already been discussed in this thread.

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I don't have an issue with people going a bit over the speed limit when the conditions are safe. However he was going at about double the speed limit.

Regardless of his police training, seeing as the road was damp, and and that time it would have been dark, no matter how safely he was driving, 136 mph is a bit more than an error of judgement surely! It's not much of an example to set.


a highly trained driver going fast in a very capable car. I don't know or pretend to know how he was driving, we just know he was going faster than the law said he should. Even though the Subaru Impreza was not even a glint in an engineers eyes when the law was passed.


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Flying Dodo wrote:
I don't have an issue with people going a bit over the speed limit when the conditions are safe. However he was going at about double the speed limit.

Regardless of his police training, seeing as the road was damp, and and that time it would have been dark, no matter how safely he was driving, 136 mph is a bit more than an error of judgement surely! It's not much of an example to set.


No it's not, but he should not have his job put on the line as a consequence. He has allready been punished by the court.

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No it's not, but he should not have his job put on the line as a consequence. He has allready been punished by the court.


Tell me, Does this sympathy for your colleague losing your job also apply to the growing number of HGV drivers who have incurred driving bans and therefore losing their jobs for daring daring to travel above the legal speed limit of 40MPH on single carriage way roads, such as the A1 in Northumberland?


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No it's not, but he should not have his job put on the line as a consequence. He has allready been punished by the court.


He has shown complete disrespect for the laws he enforces :!:

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HGV drivers who have incurred driving bans and therefore losing their jobs for daring daring to travel above the legal speed limit of 40MPH on single carriage way roads, such as the A1 in Northumberland?


HGV drivers, should not run above 40 mph on single NSL's, i certainley will not go above. It upset's car drivers i know, however what people fail to realise is our speed is monitored throughout our journey.

Say i was involved in an accident that was not my fault, the first item to be checked, as standard policy is my tacho graph.

I disagree with the 40 limit on trucks, as they are able to handle a higher speed, however i am not willing to throw away my license for the sake of the car drivers behind me.

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No it's not, but he should not have his job put on the line as a consequence. He has allready been punished by the court.


He has shown complete disrespect for the laws he enforces :!:


He's in good company. The legislators, the magistrates, the prosecuters, the clerk of the court, the CPS, the fixed penalty office staff, the camera van operators and EVERYONE ELSE exceeds the speed limit on occasion.

The entire system is operated by hypocrites.

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there was an article about this in MCN. I only scanned through it, but they pointed out that a man on a bike got twice the ban for going slightly slower (128 springs to mind) on a bike.


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No it's not, but he should not have his job put on the line as a consequence. He has allready been punished by the court.


He has shown complete disrespect for the laws he enforces :!:


And just as you would, has been punished by the court

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No it's not, but he should not have his job put on the line as a consequence. He has allready been punished by the court.


Tell me, Does this sympathy for your colleague losing your job also apply to the growing number of HGV drivers who have incurred driving bans and therefore losing their jobs for daring daring to travel above the legal speed limit of 40MPH on single carriage way roads, such as the A1 in Northumberland?


I have no personal knowledge of this road, or the conditions that prevail there, but yes, I would feel soory for any person who lost their job as a consequence of speeding. Fines, penalty points and increased insurance premiums are enough punishment, without the huge problems caused by loosing your job.

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No it's not, but he should not have his job put on the line as a consequence. He has already been punished by the court.

He has shown complete disrespect for the laws he enforces :!:

And just as you would, has been punished by the court

Indeed he has.

If you expected police officers to adhere scrupulously to every single law on the statute book, and be dismissed for any conviction, then recruitment would be very difficult indeed.

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I have no personal knowledge of this road, or the conditions that prevail there, but yes, I would feel soory for any person who lost their job as a consequence of speeding.


It is not just speeding, it is reckless driving :!:

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I have no personal knowledge of this road, or the conditions that prevail there, but yes, I would feel soory for any person who lost their job as a consequence of speeding.

It is not just speeding, it is reckless driving

Er, the offence is "dangerous driving". "Reckless driving" went out of the window ten or more years ago.

And he wasn't convicted of it anyway :P

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[It is not just speeding, it is reckless driving

Er, the offence is "dangerous driving". "Reckless driving" went out of the window ten or more years ago.[/quote]

Aren't we pedantic tonight :!:

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