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I don't believe the idiot responded.

Anyway, a few days ago,I sent him an email describing an incident I came across recently.

This was my opening email.

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Hi there Richard.

Today, I was driving past a popular Arrive Alive location and as always, I had my eyes glued to the speedometer.

Today this driving method nearly had fatal consequences, when a young child ran out, and I nearly hit him...... this shocking incident is all thanks to your force's idea of 'speeding kills,' whereas, ideally the real message should be 'inappropriate speed kills.'

When will this madness end? I'd hate to think how many lives have been lost that could have been prevented thanks to your backward policy.



My aim of this email was in hope of that you will read it, I'd appreciate a reply, but please don't fob me off with any flawed statistics, I know the facts.

Please do the right thing Richard and scrap speed camera's. They are dangerous, and by scrapping them, you can save innocent lives!


Thank You for reading.

Regards,
Karl.




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and the reply




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Dear Mr XXX

Possession of a driving licence is a privilege, not a right.

It is dependent upon your driving within the law.

I am glad that you were carefully complying with the speed limit, as you should because it’s the law of the land. However it is a limit, not a requirement; in an area of known danger a prudent and responsible driver should go more slowly. That’s the whole point of inappropriate speed – and then you will not need the ridiculous excuse of watching the speedometer while nearly running over a pedestrian. You are required by law to drive not merely within the speed limit, but with “due care and consideration for other road users”. I’m glad that you were.



I will not try to fob you off with statistics since your mind is clearly closed to evidence – always the mark of someone who has lost the argument (don’t confuse me with facts, I know what I know). However, since you are not prepared to deal with the evidence because it does not fit your preconceived and blinkered view there is really no point in me continuing.



Drive safely

Regards

RB


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what a knob.


100% real btw.

Did you format that correctly or did he call you a knob?

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ummm well .. seems like a fairly reasoned reply to your very loaded email.

No he didnt.

Poor formatting by me. I've now corrected it.

Are you sure? You seem to have quoted the response twice, the second with your name!

So, so wrong. Possession of a driving licence is an entitlement based on a person meeting a certain set of objective criteria, which include being of age, passing the driving test, paying the required fees, then not exceeding the threshold of penalty points.

The above statement truly underlines the mindset of the guy. He's an ignorant, self righteous, incompetent, sanctimonious prick.

Glad his only argument is 'obey this because it's the law.'

I'm glad somebody else has commented on this, because this "driving is a privilege" line seems to be used more and more by the authorities these days.

According to the law, when somebody passes the appropriate medical exams he is entitled to call himself a doctor. Do the authorities say that he has earned the privilege of practicing medicine? Of course not; he has earned the legal right to do so. It might be a legal right or entitlement which he could lose at some future point in time due to professional misconduct or gross incompetence, but that doesn't make it a privilege.

So where does this "driving is a privilege" nonsense come from? If the government turned around next week and announced that all existing driver licenses were to become void from a certain date and nobody but the select few were to be allowed to drive, would everybody just shrug and say "Oh well, it was just a privilege, so there's nothing we can do?"

Since the Government decided that driving licences can be suspended for non-motoring related offences, driving has been regarded by them as a "privilege" to be rescinded as required.

It's rather like being in prison and earning privileges by good behaviour only for them to be removed by transgression of a petty technical regulation. Does this remind you of anything?

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The reply is so idiotic as to beggar belief!

Is he really as daft as his email sounds?

And him a senior police officer, too!

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I'm sure the newspapers in his area would just love to see that correspondance, especially if you wrote back, copy to the press, that dealing and using drugs, burglary, assault, drunk-and-disorderly, etc, are also against the law and it's a pity his service is so ineffective at doing anything about that (ask the residents of Llandudno, for example, lowest clear-up rates for many crimes in the entire UK).
Yes, he's a 'man on a mission', but a misguided and incorrect mission. However many times he's been told, advised, helped, consulted with and ridiculed, he still just goes on with the same old dangerous nonsense.
If you want to uphold the law, Mr. Brunstrom, you might just make a start by reducing the crime rate on your 'patch'. To give you a clue, legalising dangerous drugs is not the way to do it.

I'd probably send it to a few news desks if I'd had a response like that.....but that's just me.

How would I go about doing that?

Is the email supposedbly intended for the 1 person (me).. couldnt I get done?

Brunstrum hasnt said anything in that email that is actually wrong, blunt, but not wrong.

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Babies ruin driving pleasure

Can't keep within the speed limit and observe what's going on outside the car at the same time?

You're a bit of a crap driver aren't you.

How did you pass your test? You certainly wouldn't pass your advanced driving test.

We are all human you clown.

As a matter of fact, I am only 17 - still learning .. as they say.

Well, I don't recommend you drive around with your eyes "glued to the speedometer"; the occasional glance is enough to ensure your perception of how fast you are going matches up with reality.

Also, if you're driving in area where there are people on the pavement with children then I recommend you slow down as well.

Just a pity it's not from Med Hughes really....

In practice, in this age of ridiculously low speed limits, many people often see the speed limit as a target, particularly in areas with a reputation for draconian enforcement. They want to go as fast as they legally can, but no faster. So in practice they aim to maintain an exact speed. Without cruise control or automatic speed limiting, this means that they have to look at the speedo far more than they would without the draconian, digital enforcement...agreed? This is even more the case with relatively inexperienced drivers, and that's not their fault.

It's just one of a myriad of ways in which cameras demonstrably make the roads more dangerous, especially when coupled with unreasonable speed limits. I recommend a read of the Safe Speed side effects report if you haven't seen it.

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"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Why don't we club together to buy a calibrated portable speed camera and point it at RB as he goes about his business?

There must be a few members in North Wales prepared to do this and then we can finally lay to rest this man's claims that he always abides by the limit?

I don't mind paying towards the equipment and for someone's time and trouble to do this. What would we need to make it legal and binding? A camera and some witnesses?

I'll bung £50 if this is doable and if others are happy to contribute of course. I'm sure it wouldn't cost us much individually if we all help.

How much is a camera BTY? Does anyone know?

We need to get this man in the newspapers with his pants down.

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.