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When are the police going to admit its not the heinous crime that the likes of Brake and T2000 believe it is, and they themselves are happy to enforce on us mere mortals.

Our police forces are a F****** joke, and they wonder why we have so little respect for them.

The point is...they "speed" the same as every one else. I don't see Bob Pitt saying that they were committing a heinous crime as we are told we are....by the Police!

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Speed camera policy Kills

I wonder if the ordinary mortal of a motorist tried this "Scam" would they get away with it "me thinks definitely not" as there are many who have tried and lost, surely as it is "their" patch don,t they know where the b***** cameras are

This is purely a case of do as I say not what do

I was always under the (misguided) belief that to enforce the law you must first uphold / comply with it

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Spannernut

I have a dream

...Hughes gets 26 summonses for S172 offences!!

I have been watching a few programmes on TV this week, not unusual there you may say but the programmes were, Hoodie Hell on Bravo TV on Sky and BBC1 Cars, Cops and Bailiffs.

Before we go any farther I have no time for the illegal motorist who evades the law and I certainly have no time for hoodies. However it’s interesting to see the emphases of the police, government and councils, and the dichotomy between the law abiding motorist caught doing a few miles over the speed limit and the street criminal?

The Bravo Hoodie show, gave us an insight into life for disaffected youths and day to day life on sink estates. These are the type of estates that consecutive governments have cultivated and cultivated this type of youth. The interesting issue here is the lack of resources that councils, government and the cops deploy here to turn around the lives of the occupants of these estates. Gangland Street fighting, burglaries, car crime, drugs, murders, guns and knives are everyday events. As are all the other criminal activities that a non normal society enjoys as part of their everyday lives, all this can be found on these estates.

But what do the government care the people of these estates probably don’t vote!

The BBC show showed how the motorist is number 1 criminal for the cops and bailiffs and it showed the resources the cops, government and councils deploy to recover monies owed by motorists in fines.

They had a crack down on motorists in one London council area, they were checking for non road tax payers, non insurance payers, speed and parking fine evaders. They set up a road block and pulled over every motorist that went through the road block and chased a few that did not. The main point is the number of officers deployed to take part in this road block I counted up to 20 police officers. It emphasised the fact that the police, government and the councils are more interested in the collection of unpaid fines than catching the Hoodies and the criminals who destroy whole neighbourhoods, lives and businesses.

The interesting issue for me was how you can feel secure in your bed at night, in the knowledge that the cops are putting cash before crime.

Below is how government deal with sink estates. More SPIN and SMOKE and MIRRIORS
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/ ... cservices1

Firstly I agree to an extent with what you say about the efforts the police put in to catch the errant motorists who creep over the limit by a few mph and I think it TOTALLY DISPROPORTIONATE to the offence but I do support the actions of vehicles being checked for road tax / insurance as these are costs borne by the law abiding motorist who are the victims as are others of uninsured drivers / untaxed vehicles.

As regards the amount of officers used to detect this "crime" then I agree it was an excessive amount in my opinion when we now have ANPR vehicles (with a lot less manpower) which can do the job just as efficiently sat at the side of the road with 2 or 3 police vehicles and or officers stopping and taking vehicles and occupants (if necessary) into custody.

There is one simple thing on this, I perceive it to be simply government targets as this govmnt. are obsessed with "TARGETS" to be achieved and a speeding motorist convicted is classed as a "solved crime" for the figures / targets so we have a culture of (like all government depts. for instance the CSA) "GO FOR THE EASY ONES FIRST" as they are less trouble than the ones we need to chase and spend time on when we can get the easy ones and let the hard ones go away.

Then we have the "cameras save lives " culture and to be honest if you were going to lose your living because cameras are going to be withdrawn wouldn,t you defend them with all your worth???

Obviously this (or any other govnmt.) WILL NOT withddraw cameras as they are an excellent revenue earner for the govnmt. and if they looked at other ways of fleecing the taxpayer what better ruse than to hit the motorist again and again and don,t believe this rubbish they put out about we would rather not have to impose fines on drivers because they would simply have to get the revenue elsewhere as you wouldn,t like to lose something like £1.6m annually to waste on more penpushing bureaucrats and quangos.

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Spannernut

'a f*****g joke'? maybe so but it sounds like you wouldn't respect them anyway, people go on about kids having no respect for anyone these days, I wonder where they get their values from?

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Babies ruin driving pleasure

Not sure of the relevance of that argument.

You have to earn respect, and the state of the policing in this country as a whole is not garnering much respect, with or without the whole speed enforcement issue and the seemingly double standards that they themselves adopt.

If they and the Gov't are happy to go on enraging the general public through ridiculous and pointless enforcement in the thirst for more revenue, then lack of respect is going to be the least of their worries surely. You can't go on chasing the money while ignoring the real issues out there and expect it to all go on nicely for ever. But then I suppose they are just in it for the here and now, and subsequent next Govt/Local Authorities etc can pick up the peices.

Personal experience hasnt endeared me with a healthy respect of the Police, and all because of this ridiculous enforcement regime metered out to us motorists. My first SP30 was recieved just minutes before nearly gettng swipped off my Motorbike by Mr White Van man reading a map! Things like that focus the mind somewhat and make ordinary citizens angry.

If they could prove it was all worth it, then there migth be an argument. They cant, there isnt, but they do make a hell of a lot of money, (and a lot more than 1.6mil I thought?)

Jules

You make your point a little better this time, however the argument as a whole is flawed by tarring the majority with the same brush as it were. I also am a firm believer in respect being earned. A government obssesed with statistics and control have turned the police service into lap dogs for the CPS. The whole thing is driven by CPS targets and successful prosecution figures. The pro active element of policing has all but died and what we are left with on the whole are processors for easy to win court cases.

There is nothing easier to win than traffic cases, welcome to modern Britain. Victims feelings are sidelined by the CPS, officers discretion has been totally taken away and morale which was terrible has now been destroyed by a government that doesnt stick to its own agreements on pay.

On the whole the police should be respected for the difficult job they do, but what chance do they have when their own government doesnt even respect them, and the governments policies alienate the police from the public they want to serve.

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Babies ruin driving pleasure

This could be due to the fact that the current administration does not view those who put their lives on the line to serve their country as real people, but 'resources'. They are a means to their end, nothing more.

The current administration are, and have always been, obsessed with placing importance on that which is easily measurable, rather than measuring that which is important. Its the Fabian way!

Couldn't have put it better myself

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Babies ruin driving pleasure