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Seems Domenjoz was an easy guy to lean on to publish a retraction because he was way down the information pecking-order

Check this out. Scroll down to the letter from Andrés Schweiz. Honestly, I've never met the guy but he describes exactly what I saw in the replay.

From here

We now have reports that a journalist admitted making up the UNATTRIBUTED quote that you so quickly pounced on and you still want to believe the unsubstantiated opinion on a marginal internet website?

And so it goes full circle. Here we have a report confirming what the footage showed. Earlier I explained what the 'N' button does (as confirmed by Martin Brundle). What you claim is a 'marginal website', which counts among its contributors the guy who is employed by the FIA to conduct their official press conferences, states categorically that one of their sources heard 'straight from the horse's mouth' that Lewis Hamilton admitted his 'finger slipped'.

McLaren then publish a formal denial after this leak of information to try and stem the tide of second and third hand reporting of the story originating from this 'marginal website'.

Wake up - smell the petrol fumes!!

I'm sure you will be able to find a zillion reports that back-up your belief, but they will all be based on third party news sources (Bild for example, which in terms of quality of reporting is Germany's equivalent of The Sun) fed the official BS from McLaren.

All of that is downstream from the PitPass report (which you will notice Ron Dennis carefully avoids specifically mentioning to prevent drawing even more attention to it). Check the dates of publication. Check the credentials of the people responsible for it. You are merely quoting the damage limitation.

This wouldn't be the first time someone has said something and later regretted it, then told lies to save face. Are you really that gullible that you believe their lies? Somehow, though, I doubt you are as you protest too much, methinks.

I'll bet it has crossed your mind how very strange it was that less than 1/5th of the way into the race an alleged gearbox failure just happened to coincide with the driver pressing a button (marked 'N' for Neutral) shortly after having placed himself under extreme pressure by losing several places to his championship rivals. No-one is contesting whether or not the button pressing incident took place (although some downstream media sources have mis-reported it), McLaren claim it is unrelated to Hamilton's slowing to an almost halt before being able to re-engage drive and driver error was not to blame, yet the alleged mechanical failure did not re-occur for the gruelling remainder of the race?!



Icandoit - accept it, you are a fanboy in denial.

PS. Mr. Balfe is standing by his source

A good end of season piece by Martin Brundle in today's Sunday Times.

Amazing, considering that r11co believes he knows all about the steering wheel buttons and (presumably) the controversy, as well as actually being in the position as an F1 pundit to actually study the raw footage that he mentions NOTHING about Hamilton possibly being the architect of his own downfall.

Last word syndrome?! You've made your mind up - you've bought into the boy wonder and little is going to change that. Ultimately this comes down to who you choose to believe and what that says about you or what interests you are protecting.

However as I said before, you can quote as many downstream sources that you want. It makes no difference. Pitpass broke the news so they are the only people in a position to defend the story. Others have the McLaren press release to contend with and, when pushed, will end up having to say the same thing as Mr Domenjoz, so it doesn't further your argument to keep referencing them.

Anyway, here are the last words from Chris on the subject...

Which is EXACTLY what you are doing. You are still failing to look at anything other than a single, still unattributed, comment on some minor web site.

It seems to make no difference to you. But I can and will continue to post anything (that is attributed) that could affect this story.

I posted the link to that article simply because you were the one that told us that Martin Brundle had informed you how the buttons on the steering wheel worked. Although you don't think it even slightly interesting that he has failed to confirm your 'story' in his end of season piece in the Sunday Times, others might. Don't you even consider it is really because the 'story' you found in some insignificant corner of the internet is one that no editor worth their salt will run it because it is clearly unattributed rubbish that one 'journalist' has already had to apologise for?

Pitpass broke no 'story'. They posted some unattributed drivel that no-one has followed up. Not, as far as I can tell, even the Spanish press who apparently are still gunning for Hamilton.

Round and round and round we go, where we stop, nobody cares.

One thing I will take you to task on though is your comments that PitPass is an insignificant website. Just because you've never heard of it doesn't alter that its contributors (Eoin Young, Geoff Collins, Dr. Mike Lawrence, Bob Costanduros, Paul Stoddart...) are exceptionally well connected in F1 circles. Your assertion is simply a measure of your ignorance, not the site nor its writers' credentials.

I've no beef here about the actual issue in question (Hamilton's error). I couldn't care less. As I said though - you protest too much, methinks.



They have attributed the quote - to Lewis Hamilton, but there are none so blind as those who will not see.

Except you, apparently.

The item in question is an UNVERIFIABLE source. It doesn't matter who you think has made contributions to any F1 websites as it is this story about Hamilton that is the topic in question. Who wrote that?

I have already said I have no idea if he was the cause of his 'gearbox problem' or not. What I have cited is the fundamental errors that you have made in claiming that he was.

You know perfectly well the source of story is unverifiable. I could clam anything I like but without a way of checking it is still nothing more than hearsay.

Meantime the pertinent parts of the story, that you claim to be so sacrosanct apparently because it was posted on some little F1 fan site, are falling apart and you fall back on defending the site? That's a bit feeble isn't it?

It is an editorial piece written by the same person who posted the further details in the forum. Are you really that dense that you didn't work that out?



Once more round the blocks. I am starting to lose my patience with you now as I am repeating myself here.....

If you know anything about journalism or the laws of libel you can work that out from the publications of the discourse between McLaren and the editor of PitPass that, if pressed, PitPass will be able to verify their story and McLaren very well know that. Mr. Balfe is not the simpleton you appear to be - what is contained in the forum is actionable if it can be proven to be false.

McLaren are taking no action, not even making threats or suggestions.

Put the pieces together. That should be enough for you, but clearly it isn't. Ad Hominem attacks against the site and your continued misinformed denigration of their status make no difference. As I said - they clearly know more than you about it, and I know who I am going to believe.

This is like listening to my two kids arguing - aged 10 and 15!
One is clearly in possession of good information but the other one wont give in!!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

As I said. You know nothing other than what an unverifiable source is claimed to have said to a website. Everything I have put is, at least, attributed.

Only an idiot would post more on this other than to raise some additional, attributed, material in support of ther position.

I can find out for CERTAIN in November, when I go to a family wedding.
One family member works for Maclaren. Now will you stop arguing until then?

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Sadly, Ernest, that might not help. Now, if the family member was a soon to be ex McLaren employee then you might get something other than the party line out of him/her

Icandoit, ultimately arguing with me over this is cowardice as you seem to be blaming me for what someone else is saying, and criticising me for believing it (which is futile).

I am only backing their stance so stop shooting the messenger. If you have the guts, take it up with Chris Balfe. If you think what he has said is nonsense then present him with the evidence and ask him to take the forum posts down. Also, don't fail to let him know what you think of his 'marginal' website.

editor@pitpass.com

Do let us know of his reply (and please mention me and this thread!!)