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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 19:19 
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Very topical !

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I knew it! They're trying to fool us so they can rip us off.

And another thing I noticed the other week, (slightly on the topic of helping our planet), why don't you ever see black people in the Tour De France?

They dominate many sports demanding long distance endurance so why not this too?

Hah - got ya this time Ziltro :D

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"Environment "expert" Chris Goodall (that's "expert" in the convenient modern sense, meaning someone who bangs on and on about something the rest of us can't be arsed to take an interest in) has calculated that walking does more than driving to cause global warming"

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"In Essex they are using new types of cars with the apparent intention of tricking motorists in to believing they are broken down by the side of the road, when they are in fact operating a Mobile Speed Trap. Several different BTST members have noticed unusual cars operating Mobile Speed Traps around Essex, including silver Vauxhall vans complete with roof-racks and bumper stickers, and silver and purple Mini Coopers. Reports mention the A130 road in particular"


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"In Essex they are using new types of cars with the apparent intention of tricking motorists in to believing they are broken down by the side of the road, when they are in fact operating a Mobile Speed Trap. "

If they don't want to play fair, how about giving them hand grenades disguised as donuts :twisted: J/K

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BBC.co.uk wrote:
C-charge hiked for gas-guzzlers

Low-efficiency cars could be hit with a congestion charge of £25 under tough new measures announced by London mayor Ken Livingstone.
Under the plans, which are going out to public consultation, cars which produce larger amounts of CO2 will pay charges above the current £8.

The highest-polluting vehicles account for about 8% of London-registered cars.

Joe Macari, a performance car dealer, said the plans would damage businesses and unjustly penalise the wealthy.

Increasing awareness

Mr Livingstone said the hike was intended to reflect those vehicles "that make the biggest contribution to global warming".

He said: "Londoners are becoming increasingly aware of the need to tackle climate change and this summer's floods were a reminder of the urgency with which we need to reduce CO2 emissions.

"The highest CO2 emitting cars - like some of the so-called Chelsea tractors, high-powered sports cars and luxury executive cars - can produce twice as much carbon dioxide as the kind of car driven by the average Londoner."

Mr Macari, who runs a central London Ferrari and Maserati dealership, said the new charges would amount to an extra £6,500 in yearly motoring costs for many of his customers.

He said: "They're already working harder to afford the things they want to afford, why should they be penalised for being successful?

"I think his personal views are getting in front of what is good for the country, the capital and the people...it's just going to hurt British industry."

The charges would only apply to those driving within the congestion zone, which was recently extended into west London.

Most road users would be unaffected by the new charges and the least polluting vehicles would not have to pay the congestion charge at all.

The vehicles that would fall into the £25-a-day category are those in vehicle excise duty band B and G, which produce 225g of CO2 per kilometre, and vehicles with engines larger than 3,000cc that were registered before March 2001.

A Mori poll conducted for the mayor found 64% of Londoners expect the most polluting cars to pay the highest congestion charges.


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Odd how even the British weather experts said there was no way to determine that the floods were linked into global warming :roll:

It's no longer a bandwagon or a juggernaut, it's a bloody B52!

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Odd how even the British weather experts said there was no way to determine that the floods were linked into global warming :roll:

It's no longer a bandwagon or a juggernaut, it's a bloody B52!


Even that knob head Al Gore said that individual weather events could not be linked to climate change.

We now see a worrying trend to reporting weather events. We use macro level geography and timelines to report statistics when these are meaningless. Who cares if it the hottest 2:00 on May22nd in Swindon on record.... :x

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Livingstone is a rabid leftie

Climate Chnage is a politically motivated leftie band wagon.

People are seeing through it and the wails and hysteria are getting louder and louder. That spock esque Milliband mentioned 'climate change deniers' the other day on newsnight.

Its b0llocks, they know it, we know and increasingly the 'people' re coming to realise it.

But it makes me sooooooo bloody angry!


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It was warm and sunny this evening where I live so I took my 6ltr 16mpg car out for a pointless spin round to make sure that the warm spell continues. :D

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That spock esque Milliband mentioned 'climate change deniers' the other day on newsnight.


I have no issue with the concept of "climate change" the climate have continued to change since the earth cooled off 4 billion years ago.

I, like most of the rest of the population, do not think that mankind has any influence over it.

Don't struggle. Embrace the change...... :wink:

The more resources we divert away from action to cope with extreem climate variation with the stupid concept that we can change things, the more people are going to suffer. If we quit wasting billions on climate carbon control nonsence we could probably end povety anyway.

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The ecomentalists are modern day king canutes


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'climate change deniers'

Heretics? :scratchchin:

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Can't burn them at the stake. Too much CO2. :D

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I swear to you he said it...I promise.

I could barely believe my ears!

Mind you I haven't heard a mainstream politician say it since so maybe he was test driving it on a late night show.

I do believe that the Ecomentalistas have over egged things though. A year or so ago I felt like I was a lonely voice but since the increasingly hysterical predictions of manmade global melt down being used as an excuse for everything from taxing my holiday and car, shrinking my bin and preventing me from getting a carrier bag from B&Q people seem to have got wind that 'Climate Change' may not be everything that it seems.


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http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/1782/


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One of the many reasons that I'm sceptical about "doomsday global warming predictions" is the tenacity with which some of the "deans" of the AGW church cling to their data and methods...

One of the prime tenets of science (if you're a Popperian anyway) is that science must be "falsifiable" ie be open to disproof, which demands access so that examination and testing can be performed. It makes it so much easier for everyone, assuming that they've nothing to hide, and I'm sure that had Einstein's theories of relativity suffered from the "Millenium Bug" they'd have been corrected PDQ!...

Which is why it seems to have taken 7 years, and a considerable amount of sleuthing to discover that the "NASA/Goddard's GISS" temperature database and the "correction algorithms" thereto applied, all jealously guarded by Michael Mann (he of the discredited "Hockey Stick") appear to suffer from something awfully like it!

Have a look at http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2 ... s-cli.html for the full, gory (or should that be "Gore-ey") details.

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BBC.co.uk wrote:
Man causing climate change - poll

Large majorities in many countries now believe human activity is causing global warming, a BBC World Service poll suggests.
A sizable majority of people agreed that major steps needed to be taken soon to address global warming.

More than 22,000 people were surveyed in 21 countries and the results show a great deal of agreement on the issue.

The survey is published a day after 150 countries met at the United Nations to discuss climate change.

An average of 79% of respondents to the BBC survey agreed that "human activity, including industry and transportation, is a significant cause of climate change".

Nine out of 10 people said action was necessary, with two-thirds of people going further, saying "it is necessary to take major steps starting very soon".

In none of the countries did a majority say no action was necessary to combat climate change.

The survey was conducted by the polling firm Globescan and the Program on International Policy Attitudes (Pipa) at the University of Maryland in the US.

Globescan President Doug Miller said growing awareness of global warming had awoken people's self-interest.

"The impacts of erratic weather on their property, on their person, on their country is tangible and real to people across the world."

He said "the strength of the findings makes it difficult to imagine a more supportive public opinion environment for national leaders to commit to climate action".

'No time'

The survey found widespread support (73% of respondents) for an international agreement to limit emissions of greenhouse gases that would include developing countries.

In return, developing countries would get financial and technological assistance from richer nations.

Only in Egypt, Nigeria and Italy did more people take the position that developing countries should not be expected to limit emissions.

A majority in some of the key developing countries favour limiting emissions in less wealthy countries, including China (68%), Brazil (63%) and Indonesia (54%).

On Monday, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon told the highest-level UN gathering on climate change that "the time for doubt has passed".

Mr Ban is hoping to inject a sense of urgency to the political negotiations on global warming that are due to be held in Indonesia in December.

"If we do not act now, the impact of climate change will be devastating," he said.

Representatives from about 150 countries, including 80 heads of state or government, were at the meeting, held on the eve of the UN General Assembly.

However, US President George W Bush was not present. Instead, he is hosting a meeting of 16 "major emitter" countries in Washington on Thursday and Friday.

There has been a string of scientific reports in recent months that have pointed to humanity's central role in causing climate change

Just days ago, US scientists confirmed that more Arctic sea ice melted this year than ever before.


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Funny how they get those statistics.

One great thing about my job is, while working in peoples homes, you get to chat with them on various topics, and gain a fairly broad insight into how a cross-section of people feel. I've made two observations:

1) Most people are unconvinced by climate-change propaganda; this varies from those with various levels of scientific understanding who positively feel it's rubbish, to a general feeling it's all a bit fishy, but not enough to want to really debate/refute the issue and so they play along.

2) The minority who do buy into it generally have no comprehension of "energy conservation", and are actually incredibly wastefull in a number of ways, more wastefull than those that dismiss climate change.

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BBC showing its neutrality again............ :lol:

In an ITV on line poll recently after a week of global warming indoctrination 60% of the people who took part said that they did not thing mankind had any effect on climate.

BTW how many people in 3rd world countries did they phone for the poll. Presumably the minority who had access to a phone... :roll: Not the Global majority they claim.....what a joke.

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EVER :? Just how long have they been measuring it. This stuff is just taking the piss.

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