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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 14:22 
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There's lots of freight which is transported in small and HG vehicles which are restricted to 50mph, or whatever. So how about an untamperable-clock interface which de-restricts the vehicle, or raises its regulated speed limit, so that they can get more of a wriggle-on between the 'light use' hours - midnight and 6:00 a.m. perhaps?

This will ease congestion during peak periods, the most dangerous hours both for us and the goods vehicles, and the shorter driving time will mean they will be less fatigued and safer as a consequence.

The companies would make more money as well, so it sounds like everyone could be a winner.


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I guess the encouragement to do night haulage might help to ease congestion.

But as far as I can tell no worthwhile evidence exists to support the safety benefits of any speed limiter devices. So it would be far cheaper and far simpler to just scrap the lot. Just think... no more elephant races.

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I agree with the elephant ride annoyance but, assuming they have been restricted to limit the danger that something weighing tons can do on impact, if they can be helped move along during relatively safe hours they would surly spend less time with the rest of us causing danger and frustration during the less safe times. The elephant rides would be reduced while I'm behind them during the day hopefully.

This may be a different topic: I don't know if you cycle Paul but if you de-restrict them, as a cyclist, you do not want a HGV passing you at 70 mph. :yikes: (not on a motorway obviously) It's bad enough at 50 mph but if they're doing it a 3 a.m in the morining I'm not likely to be on the road and few others will either.

On a small motor bike, or car for that matter, the pressure wave from a HGV passing at 70 mph is considerable!

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The simplest way this could be done BT is to get freight back onto the railways. As the governments, past and previous, have neglected them for so long it isn't going to happen fast but it could be done if needed; they are managing it in India and improving the passenger service and making a profit :o

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The simplest way this could be done BT is to get freight back onto the railways. As the governments, past and previous, have neglected them for so long it isn't going to happen fast but it could be done if needed; they are managing it in India and improving the passenger service and making a profit :o


Agreed :thumbsup:

And how about canals? Or would it lead to canal rage? :roll:

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I would be for scrapping limiters altogether, but from what I've heard, many lorry drivers would be up in arms, because in their eyes they'd be expected to go at 70mph the whole time.

Perhaps what we need is a limiter which allows short bursts of speeds up to (say) 70mph, which the driver can call upon when he needs to pass another lorry that would otherwise be going 1mph slower. There could be a certain "ration" of 70mph for every 24 hours, or say 2 minutes of 70mph for every 15 (no basis for that, just an example). The specifics would need to be thought about carefully, but hopefully it would allow drivers that extra burst of speed when they needed it without subjecting them to unreasonable expectations from managers.

I do think something has to be done about this. Being in the South East I usually get to travel on (congested!) 3-lane motorways, but for those who often need to use 2-lane motorways or DCs, elephant racing must be a source of real frustration rather than mere irritation.

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R1Nut wrote:
The simplest way this could be done BT is to get freight back onto the railways. As the governments, past and previous, have neglected them for so long it isn't going to happen fast but it could be done if needed; they are managing it in India and improving the passenger service and making a profit :o


Agreed :thumbsup:

And how about canals? Or would it lead to canal rage? :roll:


Oops, looks like they're in a worse state than the roads and railways combined. :(

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MPs' fears on canal funding cuts

British Waterways manages 2,200 miles of waterways
The maintenance of 2,200 miles of Britain's rivers and canals has been put under "considerable pressure" by funding cuts, says a Commons committee.
The Environment, Food and Rural Affairs committee said it was "extremely concerned" about reduced grants for British Waterways (BW) up to 2011.

It has urged a National Audit Office review of "conflicting accounts" from ministers and BW about its finances.

And it expressed concern at an apparent communications breakdown between them.

The committee pointed to interviews with former biodiversity, landscape and rural affairs minister Barry Gardiner, in which he "strongly criticised" the management of BW on various issues.

The minister's outbursts are not indicative of a healthy and open relationship between sponsor department and dependent body

Committee's report

It also highlighted conflicting responses from BW, including one which said the minister had a "lack of understanding" about its efforts to clear its arrears.

The committee said it had been "an exceptionally tense period" adding: "The minister's outbursts are not indicative of a healthy and open relationship between sponsor department and dependent body."

It also called on British Waterways to ensure complex terms, concepts and models were "explained clearly" to the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra).

Budget shortfall

It added that a new minister was now in charge of British Waterways which it hoped would bring a "fresh start in the relationship".

The committee reported that a £7m shortfall in BW's expected budget for 2006/7 meant £5.6m of planned work had to be postponed on the Grand Union Canal, the Leeds and Liverpool Canal and the Ribble Link.

Our waterways are in a better state today than they have been since before the Second World War

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The organisation is also expected a shortfall in Defra funding amounting to £35m by 2011, which it says would affect major repairs and dredging.

But the government says British Waterways will get £30.1m more income between 2002 and 2012 - due to higher than expected commercial earnings and grants up to 2007.

'Effective working'

The committee also said it was "extremely concerned" at the implications of anticipated lower grants between 2008 and 2011 for "British Waterways' ability to maintain the waterways network to an acceptable standard".


Canals were the motorway network of their day 200 years ago

Responding to the report, minister Jonathan Shaw said: "Our waterways are in a better state today than they have been since before the Second World War."

But he said he was committed to "ensuring there is good communication and effective working relationships" between Defra and BW.

BW chairman Tony Hales said the past 10 years had seen a "remarkable renaissance in the fortunes of Britain's historic inland waterways".

He said British Waterways and Defra had enjoyed a "successful partnership" and were "committed to working together to secure the continued and sustainable revival of the waterways".

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