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You own a premises in which it is illegal to not display the signs.
You don't display the signs because they are ugly and insult your intelligence.
You get fined by the secret smoking police.
You still don't display signs because you really don't want to.

How long until they can fine you again for the same offence?

I have always thought that the concepts of "making an example of" or awarding "exemplary damages" are a nonsense in law. If there is a punishment which is normally given for an offence then this is all that should be done. No "sending a message" nonsense.

Mrs B and i were talking about this - interesting point that as it's a council property, does that mean that she cannot have ciggie if council employee is in house- or like pub in BERKS ( suggest it's the right name for that place ) has to be smoke free for a period
Does our house become a "workplace " if a workman (council or otherwise) comes to do some work? ---
Could even affect those owning their house ( if you can still afford to smoke when Gordie has banged on some more tax).
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then why not ban diesel engines after all I am subjected to their carcinogenic fumes every day and can do nothing about it at all, surely these fumes are far worse than those from smoking?

What really gets up my green friend's nostrils is them patio heaters springing up everywhere in the back of pubs. I expect we'll see even more now the smokers have been kicked outside.

Call to stop patio heaters sale

People are being told to wear jumpers instead of relying on patio heaters, in an attempt to cut carbon emissions.
The Energy Saving Trust has urged retailers to stop selling the heaters after a report suggesting their use will almost double over the next year.

It says the number of privately owned units in the UK will rise from 1.2 million to 2.3 million.

Each heater uses the same amount of energy in six months as a kitchen gas hob does in a year, the Trust said.

Chief executive Philip Sellwood said: "Why don't people just wear a jumper?"

After interviewing 1,192 UK households, researchers found that Yorkshire and Humberside had the highest rate of current or intended patio heater owners, on 18%.

'Responsible'

The lowest rate was in the East of England, on 3%.

Two-thirds of patio heater owners said they used theirs once or twice a week.

Half of owners switched theirs on during the hottest months of the year, July and August.

Mr Sellwood said: "We are calling for responsible retailers to reconsider the sale of patio heaters in light of the substantial amount of carbon emissions they produce."

It is thought that the recently imposed smoking ban in enclosed public places in England will lead to more outdoor smoking and an increase in commercial patio heaters.

Mr Sellwood said: "People are also influencing the larger, more damaging commercial sector, with a third of pub-goers choosing pubs where there is a patio heater.

"Landlords are helping to make patio heaters desirable - which they are not."

Some 31% of people who responded to the survey said they liked to sit outside pubs and would choose one with outdoor heating.

Last month, London Mayor Ken Livingstone called for a halt in the spread of "wasteful" patio heaters and urged retailers not to promote them.

Shot boxer still critically ill

A former British heavyweight boxer who was shot when he asked customers at a club to stop smoking is still critically ill in hospital.
James Oyebola, 47, was shot in the head and leg in a courtyard at the back of Chateau 6 in Fulham Road, south-west London, in the early hours of Monday.

His attackers opened fire as they left the club and fled in different directions on foot.

Police said four shots were fired but no weapon had been found.

'Horrible crime'

Mr Oyebola, known as Big Bad during his fighting career, went to Chateau 6 at about 2300 BST for a drink with the owner after finishing work at a nearby bar.

Shortly before 0100 BST he was shot after stepping in to help staff who had asked three men to stub out their cigarettes.

Det Ch Insp Scott Wilson said up to 40 people were in the club at the time of the shooting.

"It is a horrible crime to happen anywhere but over nothing - an incident such as smoking - these people need to be caught," he said.

Bronze medallist

A spokesman for the family said it was too early to speculate on Mr Oyebola's condition.

"James is in a critical condition in the High Dependency Unit of Charing Cross Hospital," their solicitor Scott Ewing said.

"Until the highly-experienced doctors treating James decide to reduce the level of sedation it is not possible to ascertain the level of damage or prognosis."

Mr Oyebola, who was born in Nigeria and lived in north-west London, won 18 of his 23 fights, and was a bronze medallist at the 1986 Commonwealth Games.

He retired three years after winning the WBC international heavyweight title in 1993.

What a funny old world!

Call to stop patio heaters sale

Half of owners switched theirs on during the hottest months of the year, July and August.

can't find an online link but on the radio today, some non-smokers are crying that pub gardens have now become no-go zones for them...

... some non-smokers are crying that pub gardens have now become no-go zones ...

can't find an online link but on the radio today, some non-smokers are crying that pub gardens have now become no-go zones for them...