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Jesus! Theyre a rabid lot arent they?

So his house is on google maps, so his registrant info is available on "whois" ( take a look dipturds its in the public domain!) and from that they assess he's going to "get attacked"????? No ones made ANY threats to anyone's welfare!
This smacks of the "death threats" incident on PH when Hairy Mary lost the plot after someone said she should be "put on a ducking stool" and " Burn the witch"....:D
Huh? The calibre of the opponents is , lets say it, pretty piss poor to be honest. Theyre pathetic, petty, pointless and purile.

I hope someone nicks all their bikes....... and their pumps. :D

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Apparently, some SafeSpeed acolytes - whoever they are - are plotting to harass residents of said Stanley Hill.

http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtop ... t=12536397

Hands up anyone who was plotting to harrass the residents :roll:


[still wonders how rothbook was accepted into the SH forum]


(C+ has been moved to www.bikeradar.com - as have the trolls)



I think this is Tony Farelly (ex C+ editor's site. I think the mag is trying to distance itself from moronic goings-on. I do not at all blame Future. They publish some great maga catering for all hobbies including CAR NUTTERS :lol:

The mag has to protect its brand in any case. IG buys it. I borrow his copy. :lol: He lives across the A66 from us after all :lol: It's a nice drive :lol: for each of us :lol: He borrows my "Enjoy Your Bike" which Richard Peace also writes for. :lol: Am a family man. That mag is just right for me and mine. :lol:


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Gets around on that bicycle of his doesn't he?

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(He was a she called Cathy Brown and an estate agent on PH who was widowed as a result of an incident with a car :roll: On C+ - his mate (Tony :wink:) says he's a George Clooney lookalike. :lol: :yikes: He's my -t-t-t twin as apparently I look bit like George Clooney but with "Paul Newman's eyes" per the gossip overheard by some student nurses :cloud9: :lol: ) ...


londoninnit..london... bath.. sheffield... The Gabon.. Venezuela


As seen by Swiss who chat on some other motorhead/bicycle fora :hehe:

Variety of names - including talking to itself as Cathy Brown and alex snelling and charles napier on a local newspaper forum based in East of England :roll: Yet it still manages to "have a job dealing with drug addicts" per one post and works as an "estate agent" in another. In one other post the Swiss saw he claimed to speak "fluent German because he was born there and had served in the army there too" :roll:

Yet despite being on every single internet chat room going - plus surfing the net to find the odd sentence which he thinks might back his posts - he still manages to ride the Tourmalet and do some epic cross Europe sportive on his bicycle despite his presence and posting rate on each and every forum. :roll: The Swiss are anoraks themselves :lol: They decided to monitor and came to the conclusion that same bloke who cuts and pastes to these sites. The posting times tally with mouse clicks and paste and edit time as well. Spinny mate - the pastes are a big give-away on this one. :lol: Identical. You don't even try to disguise yourself. :lol:

But you don't ride a bicycle or do those big rides you claim to. Nor can you be employed. No employer would tolerate this. I do not believe that you are employed to post vulgar abuse on chat room fora either. What else could one call the drivel as posted by yourself all over the internet.

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spinny on C+ - EDP - PH - Safe speed - Sod U Ken - and several other netty chat rooms wrote:

I like to argue


Only you do not "debate or argue your case with logical reasoning" When you have no argument - you respond with vulgar and potentially libellous abuse and resort to sending abusive mail via the forum's pm system :roll: Swiss family have the evidence. It's why you get banned. But you have zero respect for any rules as you re-register under another bogus name.

Why I am posting this. I want to warn Stanley Hill web site owner what he really has as a "posting resident". He does not live there mate. He is just a troll who rides a bike to cash his dole cheque in all probability. No one has the time he does to be 24/7 on internet chatrooms.

I would ask the web site owner again to post his concerns again on here and chat to us.

IG is a policeman. He's full of common sense and he Stephen, Man/ and Ian would all doubtlessly offer constructive help within the letter of the law as to how to get the police to enforce traffic laws properly on this road. Register on PH. OK some might be sceptical but the likes of von and Ian and xxplod and Dibble would all post likewise. Not one person on this site condones stupidity on the roads in any case. Let's be very clear about that. Sure we get "Mr and Mrs Resentful cos they got copped in the wrong" - but they are looking for comfort and we tend to offer sympathy and then look at a sugar coated learning COAST curve to prevent more upsets and accidents . :wink: By doing this - I think we do more to promote safety led attitudes than constantly promoting what is essentially a failing road safety policy in its over reliance on automation. :roll:

Oh and Deltaf. We are ex-Brake members. Mary never really had an issue over the PH banter She's an adult after all. She's very intelligent despite being taken in by scams.

Lot of things she's achieved FOR THE BENEFIT of motorists in tackling rogue garages are well worthy of praise and respect. I post this to be very fair to her and BRAKE. :wink:

We think spinny was stirring it to be honest :roll: Cannot prove it - yet though. :wink: All BRAKE got at the time was a nonny hotmail e-mail :roll: Spinny uses nonny hotmail addresses :roll:

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I wonder if Michael Connolley is in breach of the Data Protection Act??

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Q: My neighbour has CCTV cameras overlooking my property. Is this in breach of the Data Protection Act?

If your neighbour is a private individual e.g. the cameras are on their residential property, it is unlikely that they will be breaching the Data Protection Act because there is an exemption for domestic/household processing of personal data as long as this does not involve putting personal information on a website or otherwise disclosing it to the world at large without good reason. They may however be breaching other legislation, such as the law about harassment or voyeurism, and so may be referred to another body such as the police to investigate.


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Jesus! Theyre a rabid lot arent they?

So his house is on google maps, so his registrant info is available on "whois" ( take a look dipturds its in the public domain!) and from that they assess he's going to "get attacked"????? No ones made ANY threats to anyone's welfare!
This smacks of the "death threats" incident on PH when Hairy Mary lost the plot after someone said she should be "put on a ducking stool" and " Burn the witch"....:D
Huh? The calibre of the opponents is , lets say it, pretty piss poor to be honest. Theyre pathetic, petty, pointless and purile.

I hope someone nicks all their bikes....... and their pumps. :D


edited to add: This threat was posted on their website against Paul.

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Now you can send him dog poo in the post!!



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I hope someone nicks all their bikes....... and their pumps. :D

If you don't mind - my Kona was nicked last week (pump too) :cry:

edit: a close friend also had her bike nicked, last month :(


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I had a look at their site - what a deeply sad bunch of people they are.

No sign of any debate, or even of common sense - they have their agenda, and they won't let any inconvenient facts get in the way of it. Childish abuse, ad hominem attacks, very selective cherry-picking from the SS site - what do these people think they're trying to achieve? It looks to me as if they are simply attempting to convince themselves - and not making a very good job of it. One minute Paul and SS are a complete joke, not fit to be taken seriously; next minute a threat to the entire established universe.

They all appear to be completely bonkers and utterly paranoid.

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Yeah, I thought about responding about misconstrued, out of context quotes being used in a defamatory manner, but I can't be bothered, they're not even a blip on my radar.

I found delicious irony in this however:

Tourist Tony wrote:
you smeliterate child


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You'd have thought someone with such hideous SPAG as he would have chosen a different insult than trying to call someone semiliterate and then misspelling it!


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edit: a close friend also had her bike nicked, last month


Completely OT but someone once carefully stole my bike's mudguards :?


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Yeah, I thought about responding about misconstrued, out of context quotes being used in a defamatory manner, but I can't be bothered, they're not even a blip on my radar.

I found delicious irony in this however:

Tourist Tony wrote:
you smeliterate child


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You'd have thought someone with such hideous SPAG as he would have chosen a different insult than trying to call someone semiliterate and then misspelling it!


:rotfl:

He once posted up some drivel about his "degrees und me" to someone who questioned his logic. Member posted a link at the time.

The joys of "edukayshun au Tony" :lol:


Seems not to include basic English Comprehension skills :lol: But how to prove their "Members" are lacking in size und style :wink:

:twisted: He will get barbed wired up :rotfl: his lycra shorts now :popcorn: as he lurk on here :popcorn:

No doubt we shall watch furious pedalling on keyboard meltdown with much amusement in due course :lol:

But at least it keep them occupied for hours on end (ooooh - er Missus! .. they "at it again" :hehe: ) und off the road where they pose greatest danger to those walking on pavement or crossing on a green man... we drivers can all heave huge sigh of relief that they glued to being rude on an internet chatroom und not being rudey to us on the road :wink:



By the way Deltaf - I would string a bicycle thief up by his dangly bits to back of mountain bike und treat him to "ride of his life down the gravelly stretches flourishing with lots of nettles! :twisted: "

I was appalled that the bike thief who nicked thousands of bikes got just a fine. He should have been locked up. :roll:

Lot of cyclists (us included) are nice normal folk. Those people do not ride bicyclesin strict fun loving/addictive /energy bursting reality. Where ist their time to do so when they on this site lurking und posting drivel 24/7 without a break elsewhere. I am only posting on here cos done the housework chores und it chucking it down. Mad Doc ist out doing something with our sons. So rogues not under feet :lol: Daughters out with pals - so just me und youngest in house now :cloud9:

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Blimey I've just read through the BikeRadar thread :x

I'm a fairly liberal kind of cove, but I have to own up to having a distaste for what I call 'Cycle Nazis', having crossed a few on the road and it would seem some live on BikeRadar

To quote one poster there:
'I don't consider any of my contributions so far as coming anywhere near 'derogatory or inflammatory'.

This having having in the previous post:
... posters on Safespeed , including the fake copper, remain opn [sic] the site after labelling camera supporters drug addicts, terrorists, paedophiles and so on.'

'Safespeed posters call the police kunts, nazis, stasi, busy bodies. Safespeed posters post fantasies about running over and killing cyclists (as do Pistonheads posters). Safespeed posters say that children killed on the roads deserve to die. It's an unpleasant, scary underbelly of criminallity and impotent rage.

So nothing 'derogatory or inflammatory' there then :lol: :lol: :lol:

If this forum did have posts saying such things I wouldn't be here. I'm on this forum because it offers a fair spread of opinion and knowledge, with a slant against cameras and towards all the other options that don't generate income.

The stanleyhill site is irrelevant, mainly because it focuses at the end of one grumpy man's drive and also because though several SS posters have tried to engage in any kind of discourse regarding the road he seems to only wants to hear from like-minded neighbours.

And taking off my liberal hat, if some nut turn up doing that on my street with some comedy home bodged speed camera he'd only point it at me the once :D

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Barkstar wrote:
Blimey I've just read through the BikeRadar thread :x

I'm a fairly liberal kind of cove, but I have to own up to having a distaste for what I call 'Cycle Nazis', having crossed a few on the road and it would seem some live on BikeRadar

To quote one poster there:
'I don't consider any of my contributions so far as coming anywhere near 'derogatory or inflammatory'.

This having having in the previous post:
... posters on Safespeed , including the fake copper, remain opn [sic] the site after labelling camera supporters drug addicts, terrorists, paedophiles and so on.'

'Safespeed posters call the police kunts, nazis, stasi, busy bodies. Safespeed posters post fantasies about running over and killing cyclists (as do Pistonheads posters). Safespeed posters say that children killed on the roads deserve to die. It's an unpleasant, scary underbelly of criminallity and impotent rage.

So nothing 'derogatory or inflammatory' there then :lol: :lol: :lol:

If this forum did have posts saying such things I wouldn't be here. I'm on this forum because it offers a fair spread of opinion and knowledge, with a slant against cameras and towards all the other options that don't generate income.

The stanleyhill site is irrelevant, mainly because it focuses at the end of one grumpy man's drive and also because though several SS posters have tried to engage in any kind of discourse regarding the road he seems to only wants to hear from like-minded neighbours.

And taking off my liberal hat, if some nut turn up doing that on my street with some comedy home bodged speed camera he'd only point it at me the once :D

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Really?


:scratchchin: Have done a sweep of this site for all the words listed above. Funnily enough - they do not feature because they are not posted by anyone.

I have not been called any rude words on this site or the one other motoring site where I post either.

The odd Mr Angry sometimes pops up but a little TLC and a dollop of commons sense COAST and I think I give them something to make them think about their driving styles and hopefully the COAST way which makes you, me and them all the safer.

Both this site and the C+ site are monitored by police by the way. :wink: My guvs know all about what goes on. :hehe: We use the intelligence to go catch some real criminals as a result :hehe:


Rothbook.. spinny (Charles Napier/Alex Snelling/ wavey davey gravey/ben potter/ Bimbly wimbly fimbly/ mitchum/ mitch/snakes on a plane/ Cathy Brown and all the other persona who live as far afield as Vezuela to Sheffield via The Gabon :rotfl: ) - as Wildy pointed out above - he sure gets around on that bike of his. Perhaps it's virtual cycling :rotfl:


I think young Wildy's spot on when she suggests the only cycling they do is the one to sign on. No one else has such time available to monitor every site to do with motoring and then misquote every post seen on this site/PH/GTI/honest john and a welter of others. The Swiss are active on all those sites by the way. The Mad Cats post mostly on here and PH and I post on here to answer up legal questions and try to get across the C O A S T message which basically keeps people legal and minimises dangers as far as we can advise :roll: )


C+ this month admits ex-editor Farelly is the man behind this site. I think it's part of removing the mag label from the rancid outpourings as it was harming sales. "On the forum" page remarks on the "ire caused by the "Paul's appearance in the "Telegraph" :hehe:


The mag mentions a poster suggesting "mobile traps" to fool the GPS devices.

Sorry to disappoint but those data bases also upload timetables - including ours :shock: into data bases.

Oh don't be fooled by the fact we do not have static Gatsos spoiling our countryside. We have lots of police cars and a van doing the rounds. Oddly enough we have less incidents than anywhere else (despite the recent tanker driver incident on the railway line and the kid who fell asleep at the wheel of his car :roll: )

Hmmm. Possibly because the RPU here are at least visible enough to be seen "on the job" :hehe: We are still investigating the Calor Gas tanker incident. The kid who fell asleep at the wheel? He crashed into a bus stop. Unfortunately he injured an old lady. We prosecuted him for dangerous driving and no insurance and failing to stop. I'll post up the story from local paper later in "News" as a warning to get some sleep again and be sure you are FIT to drive. :furious:


How strange - a really visible cop strategy preventing most bad behaviour and crime out there. :scratchchin: Who'd've thought it? :wink:


The huff seems to be Paul gets his name reported postively by press. No one has even heard of C+ nor wants to. Which again is why they changed the forum name. I really think the mag is desperate not to be tarnished but it would help if they reflected the positives of "forum news" or highlight mroe the threads about the appalling provision for cyclsits using the trains as part of bicycle/commute. Now you don't have half as much hassle putting a bicycle or even a car on a train in Europe. :wink: These are the things which really matter to your dedicated cyclist who wants to see the world on his bike :wink:

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As for Stanley Hill - what if his neighbours do not share his views? Locals usually are the ones speeding on their own roads. We get complaints. When we go to take a look-see - we find the ones making the complaints are also doing pretty much the same thing :roll:

I think Wildy is on the right track when she suggested contacting Council and Police for some "Kill Speed" signs on every other lamp post. A SID or VAS also helps.

Write some letters to local paper and suggest you want people to COAST more with a view to the O observing the lolly please :wink:

Get the police to run a speed audit at the site in question. Their acid lectures carry a lot more clout than a letter to a firm telling them that an employee was "speeding" in your opinion or per your speed gun whch could have an element of "slippage" in the reading. We do not use them hand held on that basis. We mount on tripod if we do such a monitoring of speed. :wink:

By all means post up your concerns on this site Stanley Hill. We will help you if we can. No one on here condones stupidity or nonsense behaviour on the roads and very few posters to this site or on PH claim to speed willy nilly in urban/residentials. They do admit to pushing it a bit on the motorways - and I admit we do use discretion as it does not really do to pull someone at 75 mph when someone blats by at 90 mph :roll: I'd rather our team tackle the dangerously OTT first and try to educate the blippers via COAST naggy nags as appropriate. :wink:

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Barkstar wrote:
To quote one poster there:
'I don't consider any of my contributions so far as coming anywhere near 'derogatory or inflammatory'.

This having said in the previous post:
... posters on Safespeed , including the fake copper, remain opn [sic] the site after labelling camera supporters drug addicts, terrorists, paedophiles and so on.'

'Safespeed posters call the police kunts, nazis, stasi, busy bodies. Safespeed posters post fantasies about running over and killing cyclists (as do Pistonheads posters). Safespeed posters say that children killed on the roads deserve to die. It's an unpleasant, scary underbelly of criminallity and impotent rage.


Well spotted, Barkstar. Have these people ever read what's posted on this site? Which planet do they live on? Are they real?

This one's a bit of a carpet-chewer, that's for certain (and he can quote me!)

He can't spell criminality, either. :lol:

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Guffaw.


It's only derogatory if untrue, I'd be interested to hear why it's inflammatory to quote the posters here words back at them.

Go to the search facility on Safespeed and search on "nazis" or "stasi". It's Godwin's Rule- whosoever invokes the nazis in their argument invalidates their point. Moreover, those of you who claim road safety exhortations are on a par with nazism need to be dragged by the hair to the gates of Auschwitz to see what nazism really meant to people.

Ponder the case of a speeding driver who knocked down and killed a young woman. Safespeed's reaction? To allow a thread to remain that claimed coverage of her death was "misleading" and she was probably drunk.

Can you think of another "road safety group" that calls the police kunts?:

Can you think of another road safety group that allows fake coppers to post garbage all over the place?

Don't ask questions, just follow the ponytailed geek's wisdom, dissent banned awkward questions (like what his qualifications are) are censored. Critics deleted. Obey. Do not question.


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Guffaw.


It's only derogatory if untrue, I'd be interested to hear why it's inflammatory to quote the posters here words back at them.

Go to the search facility on Safespeed and search on "nazis" or "stasi". It's Godwin's Rule- whosoever invokes the nazis in their argument invalidates their point. Moreover, those of you who claim road safety exhortations are on a par with nazism need to be dragged by the hair to the gates of Auschwitz to see what nazism really meant to people.

Ponder the case of a speeding driver who knocked down and killed a young woman. Safespeed's reaction? To allow a thread to remain that claimed coverage of her death was "misleading" and she was probably drunk.

Can you think of another "road safety group" that calls the police kunts?:

Can you think of another road safety group that allows fake coppers to post garbage all over the place?

Don't ask questions, just follow the ponytailed geek's wisdom, dissent banned awkward questions (like what his qualifications are) are censored. Critics deleted. Obey. Do not question.


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fake coppers? one of them posts on the police forum as a serving police officer :lol:


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Hello spindrift. Why are you not on your bicycle? You should out there more given your claims to ride "Col du Tourmalet" By the way "Col" means "Pass" as in mountain pass! ;)

It where Tom Simpson fell apart. You need to see that film about his life.


As for the rest of the drivel posted above und by you on that site ...



No one uses language like you have done on this site. Nor has anyone called any one of the BiB posters or police in general such a :nono: rudey word.

(apart from some biker who Paul banned for being rudey like that und Mr Angry who got on every one's proverbials over similar OTT postings - ironically pro the campaign to scrap the scams but he was way OTT in tone. Und one guy who was basically racist in values und posts)


All of them post common sense values as do fisherman (magistrate) und cam op. They discuss the points of view. You do not. The search engine shows up debate. Those who post up nonsense (either pro or anti camera) rarely stay anyway. Speed cameras as professor beard post in his excellent post on the other thread are not working as the boy racers - the ones who cause the accidents are adept inmanipulating them in pretty much the same way as Steve Callaghan posted up. :roll: Only he chucks a mobile scam at them - instead of lieben Ian :roll: und his mates. They either not registered or unlicenced as they still continue :roll: It fails badly as we just not copping these idiots with automation. This site has always called for MORE lovely policemen :love: who can do something about it. So.. it there ist call on all the motoring sites und also by some MPs including Ruth Kelly und Mary Williams und Roadpeace (per their own PR) that we need more :bib: - then this really what we need to tackle the real menaces out there.

We discussed the current "green fad" as being akin to "old stasi rule" - but that was taken directly from a scan of tabloid newspaper as a discussion piece as to whether placing bugging devices in wheely bins was OTT. Most people in this country who discuss on R4 "You&Yours"/R2 Vine prog etc would seem to agree. I spent couple of months in Moscow - I had a mad moment over "elective study option" when at Uni. I decided to learn Russian. They sent me to Moscow. It was not very nice at the time. They followed me around as they sussed I was a right "rebel" :roll: Later - I had opportunity to work with a colleague in Leipzig. This also when Honecker in charge. It was un-nerving experience in reality. :roll:

Doctrine of the scammers ist single focussed on speed when the main cause lie elsewhere. The speed affect the outcome - but driving required the skills as determined by Road Craft/Cycle Craft. These are C O A S T principles - which determine all aspects of safety including speed und being able to stop safely at all time in distance you can see to be clear on your own side of the road without a slide/skid or screech of wheels depositing rubber trails on tarmac. (My tyres wear evenly. I do not spend huge amounts on repairs - just normal servicing with the tyres replaced when due on tread or if nasty puncture. :roll: und exhaust replaced as und when needed - but thankfully per manufacturer's life expectancy - so I guess my repair bill reflect how I really drive the family's cars :wink:)

So - it a case of driving whilst fit.. not tired/drunk/drugged - but alert all the time - applying COAST which also help keep to safer compliance albeit with the natural fluctuation which occur when you ride a bicycle as well as nobody ist a robot. :wink:

Unfortunately, though drunk drivers kill people. Likewise a drunk person walking will misjudge safety aspects. We had one story of a child. She was run over late at night. Driver was speeding in this instance. He was charged with dangerous driving. The judge/jury found him not guilty of the dangerous charge but of careless driving. He still got a ban - I think 2 years off memory - fine of £1k plus costs. But the judge passed comment on the fact that the girl in early teens had drunk two bottles of neat vodka & had just walked in front to the car per her pals at the trial. You could say "kids will be kids" :roll: - but we do not let ours stay out so late. If they did get drunk illegally - we would have plenty to say to them discipline-wise und to the shopkeeper who broke the law when selling this stuff to them. :roll: (I think the shop keeper got fined £1k & had his licence to selll booze revoked as well in this case)

Newspapers/internet reports do not disclose full details in any case. But they give the bare bones of the story as given to them by the police who want anyone with any evidence to phone them on the usual lines.


We report up all the ones which appear in Manchester area as this good example of dangers of big 'burb of similar "feel" to London in terms of busy business. Each day - drunken twazak/doped/unlicenced/illegal kills someone. Now they have cameras. If they worked - then these thugs would be caught. Well - they do get pinged . Only the cars are usually TWOCCED or chuckaways per the press reports with quotes from the local policeman Thus we hear as "constant" :roll:

local press wrote:

Police are still looking for the driver of.. (whatever)

or

Man has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous und :shock: released on bail


Which basically mean nothing done about this at all. :roll: In the meantime - some old dear gets an NIP for driving down a hill not noticing her speedo creep to 34 mph but still feeling safe as only her on the road :roll:

So who ist the more dangerous? The old deary pushing retirement age or the thug who drives around with menaces but ist too much of a widey boy to get tugged properly in Kodak Country with KSI stats rising still for cyclists und school kids? The ones he run over und fail to stop for too :furious:

But you do not live in Stanley Hill any more than any one on this site do. No one in our family has posted to that site. We do ask the website owner to chat on here to see if anyone can help the situation as quite frankly pointing a cam at vans/trucks & then writing to employer does not seem to me to be achieving much. He would be better off talking to his local policeman/council to get a speed audit thingy check done on the site - then work out dealing strategy from that point.

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If I may:

Unless you have contributed to the material on the main site outside of these forums, no-one can consider you to be part of the Safespeed road safety group, which is as much as I consider most others to be (supporters, debaters of and potential inspiration for: yes of course). Your assertion that any (hence all) forum posts contribute to or reflect the "road safety group" is inherently false; otherwise would lead to an obviously unsolvable paradox.

As for the 'fake coppers' claim (violates forum rules?): this has been repeatedly made by trolls on other sites without any evidence whatsoever to backup their claim (I’ve really tried to get this out of them) – they even supposedly filed a police complaint of which nothing more came from (despite a supposed response from "ACPO Chief Constable" promising an investigation).

If I remember the thread in question correctly, your description of it is incorrect: there was no such description of the victim.


Your description of the safespeed campaign and its founder is offensive and in clear violation of the forum rules. For that you can expect to be banned – but not because you expressed dissent (which other posters manage amicably). It is unfortunate that there is a large correlation between those who don’t wish to want to accept the arguments put forward by the campaign and those who make offensive posts.
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dissentbannedonsafespeed wrote:
Guffaw.


Excellent way to start a new post, adds SO much to the debate!



dissentbannedonsafespeed wrote:
Can you think of another "road safety group" that calls the police kunts?:


Ive typed that word in the seach facility and it comes back pointing to this thread; specifically your usage of it. Obviously its untrue that anyone else has used it, as its not coming up anyplace else, its your word not ours.

dissentbannedonsafespeed wrote:
Can you think of another road safety group that allows fake coppers to post garbage all over the place?


Hmmm i can think of several that allow garbage to be used as fact in their propaganda i can name some if youd prefer?

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Don't ask questions, just follow the ponytailed geek's wisdom,


What a big man you must be. Its easy to hide behind a keyboard and throw insults, safe in the knowledge that there are no consequences.
You must be the "hard" man of your street.

dissentbannedonsafespeed wrote:
dissent banned awkward questions (like what his qualifications are) are censored. Critics deleted. Obey. Do not question.


No so. When you learn to read you should go through some of the threads and see the honesty forum for a start, ask all the awkward questions you want....or is that too much like a challenge for you?



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What are you so scared of?


Well yes thats a good question. Answer=nothing.
No one on here feels the need to slag everyone off who dosent understand the issues, no we'd rather educate than retaliate.

So in actual fact its a question you need to ask yourself and those of a similar ilk. Or better still, try asking it of the scps whom you seem so fond of and see where it gets you! :D :D :D

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Dear dissentbannedonsafespeed, I thought it prudent to post a few tips that you might be interested in:

How to spot a bad argument

"Here are some well established techniques for spotting a bad argument presented in what I hope is a more entertaining way than usual. I've given each my own name, but I've also put the common technical term in brackets afterwards in case you want to do further research on this topic. All of these are well worth understanding if you aim to become a better thinker"


dissentbannedonsafespeed wrote:
Guffaw.

Ponder the case of a speeding driver who knocked down and killed a young woman. Safespeed's reaction? To allow a thread to remain that claimed coverage of her death was "misleading" and she was probably drunk.


"It's hot and the crime rate is up - therefore heat causes crime (correlation implies causation )This is an easy one to catch people out with. Just because two things happen at the same time or in the same place, doesn't mean there's any kind of cause and effect going on. It may just be coincidence."

Example: "Every time Frank is on duty in the store something goes missing. That guy must be a thief".

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Can you think of another "road safety group" that calls the police kunts?:

Can you think of another road safety group that allows fake coppers to post garbage all over the place?

Go to the search facility on Safespeed and search on "nazis" or "stasi". It's Godwin's Rule- whosoever invokes the nazis in their argument invalidates their point. Moreover, those of you who claim road safety exhortations are on a par with nazism need to be dragged by the hair to the gates of Auschwitz to see what nazism really meant to people.


Evolution says men come from baboons- only an idiot would believe something like that! (straw man)
This is a very common form of poor argument. It involves misrepresenting your opponent's position, by pretending it's something that sounds similar but is easy to refute. This is used a lot in political or religious arguments.

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Don't ask questions, just follow the ponytailed geek's wisdom, dissent banned awkward questions (like what his qualifications are) are censored. Critics deleted. Obey. Do not question.


You're an idiot, so you must be wrong (ad hominem)
This is the "playing the man not the ball argument", where you attack the speaker and not what he's saying. If someone has to resort to this technique, you'll often find they haven't thought through their position very well. This form of argument goes on all the time in political circles.

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Not a "ad hominem attack" but based purely on what has been observed on the internet for past couple of years or so. Can be backed up by the way. Most will recall the plethora of user/poster names anyway. :wink:

Draws breath and runs through as many as I can recall from reports from the Swiss mob over a period of just two and a bit years :shock: Each "name" below has been banned from the C+ board and other boards for abusive posts. A search through archives of many of those sites will pull up some of it and we gather that some of the web site owners in question kept the data at one side for comparison because of the abuse of their rules with regard to constant re-registers and apparent use of internet cafes and proxified accounts from this person on their audit trails. :roll:

Each account opened by this person posted as many as 80 posts per day on one site and between 10 and 20 on some of the others - in addition to other surfings and apparent lurkings on the motoring enthusiast sites :roll: The current persona has notched up almost 900 posts in just under 3 months. That - with posts on some other local news fora and lurks on here amounts to a lot of time spent at a computer keyboard.
Especially if you add up the thousands of posts made on those other sites gives a picture of someone who sadly does not seem to get out much :roll:


It does not give the impression of someone employed as no boss would sanction this. It does not give the impression of someone "productive at his job because he cycles to work" either. :roll:

The person does not ever give a location in any of these profiles either or when it does - it's a "made up one" :roll: like "The Gabon" or "london/bath/norfolk" As for its e-mail? "martincrowe of norfolk and "howard woods" who could not make up its mind whether or not it lived in "bath" or "londoninnit" does not exist either. :roll: Any more than Charles Napier or Ben Potter or alex snelling or Cathy Brown a widowed mum cum estate agent from norfolk. :roll:

So how the hell could anyone take it seriously? :wink:


smeggyin reply to spindrift/toomey/Cathy Browne/ales snelling/bimbly/tabernacle/wavey daveygravy/charles napeir/maritng crowe/ben potter/snakes on a plane/na/few others and now rothbook wrote:
If I may:

Unless you have contributed to the material on the main site outside of these forums, no-one can consider you to be part of the Safespeed road safety group, which is as much as I consider most others to be (supporters, debaters of and potential inspiration for: yes of course). Your assertion that any (hence all) forum posts contribute to or reflect the "road safety group" is inherently false; otherwise would lead to an obviously unsolvable paradox.

As for the 'fake coppers' claim (violates forum rules?): this has been repeatedly made by trolls on other sites without any evidence whatsoever to backup their claim (I’ve really tried to get this out of them) – they even supposedly filed a police complaint of which nothing more came from (despite a supposed response from "ACPO Chief Constable" promising an investigation).


Ah! that's about as valid as its e-mail to a Swiss newspaper when it argued with the eldest Swiss girl called Klaril on a forum run by an East Anglian newspaper. She was based in Cambridge at the time. She's since returned to the USA. The argument in question was about cannabis being downgraded to a C drug and legalisation of drugs. Spinny claimed to work with drug addicts and believed these drugs should be made legal. Klaril disagreed because she knew of some on-going research - the research which is now being considered as a reason to re-classify it to a B drug again :roll: She posted up in retaliation to a spinny post that the Swiss had zero crime because of their very tolerant attitude towards drugs. She quoted articles from the local press there which gave a very different picture of the so-called idyllic Swiss society. :roll:

In an discussion on road safety - Klaril posted that each winter the Swiss press remind them (with stats) of the dangers of incidents at high altitude - such as black ice . Spinny retaliated with the "L" word :roll: and then claimed he had contacted the paper concerned. It was in English and purported to have a reply in English. There were no references to key headers in his "e-mail" which was just basically the normal "blaggarding" of his style. No editor would reply with

his alleged e-mail which Klaril printed out from the EDP thread at the time wrote:
"Dear mr crowe. Thank for your enquiry. no such article exists!"


in any case :rotfl:

So I would take the alleged "e-mail" etc with a pinch of salt. We did see this daft exchange. To be taken seriously spinny would have to come clean about who he is and how come he's posting to these sites in any case :wink: and given the history of melodramatic vulgar abuse towards anyone who fails to share his view - even cyclists (the altercation with posters called Spen and Patrick (allegedly lawyers) was pure :popcorn: :wink: - doubt anyone in right mind could take this person seriously.


As for the BiB posts in general on these boards - they all refer and even quote from teh Highway Code and the - Craft series. So according the spinny - these books are "garbage" then - which seems to indicate he has not read these books either :roll:

But then anything which does not toe the spindrift line is "garbage".

Pot Kettle Black! :scratchchin:


To the Stanley Hill guy again - be careful with this person. He ain't in the slightest bit interested in your concerns over what's happening down your roadway.

smeggy in reply to the man of many names wrote:

If I remember the thread in question correctly, your description of it is incorrect: there was no such description of the victim.


Indeed. In fact the thread still exists in archives. So the incorrect posting of his can be easily checked out :wink:

smeggyin reply to the man of many names wrote:
Your description of the safespeed campaign and its founder is offensive and in clear violation of the forum rules. For that you can expect to be banned – but not because you expressed dissent (which other posters manage amicably). It is unfortunate that there is a large correlation between those who don’t wish to want to accept the arguments put forward by the campaign and those who make offensive posts.
Critics are allowed and questions are welcomed, so long as the intent isn't destructive; it is clear what your intent is!


Very clearly so :yesyes:

. In fact Petrol Ted's parting shot when he booted him out from PH was very reasoned, polite, clear and very firm. He basically told him that he had allowed him free reign to put forth his points of view, but that it was clear to him that he was not prepared to debate but only to brand everyone who disagreed with him with some abusive terminology and for the sake of restoring harmony and tranquillity to his forum, he was showing him the door! :wink:

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