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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:41 
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Met given real time C-charge data

Police are to be given live access to London's congestion charge cameras - allowing them to track all vehicles entering and leaving the zone.
Anti-terror officers will be exempted from parts of the Data Protection Act to allow them to see the date, time and location of vehicles in real time.

They previously had to apply for access on a case-by-case basis.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith blamed the "enduring vehicle-borne terrorist threat to London" for the change.

Police are believed to have used the cameras to trace the routes taken by the two Mercedes cars used in last month's alleged attempted bomb attacks in London.

But the Home Office said discussions were underway on giving police greater access to data before the discovery of the two car bombs.

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Under previous rules, police had to apply for access to the cameras on a case-by-case basis because of concerns that routine use of the information would be an invasion of privacy.

Under the new rules, anti-terror officers will be able to view pictures in "real time" from Transport for London's (Tfl) 1,500 cameras, which use Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) technology to link cars with owners' details.

But they will only be able to use the data for national security purposes and not to fight ordinary crime, the Home Office stressed.

Police and security minister Tony McNulty said: "The Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police believes that it is necessary due to the enduring, vehicle-borne terrorist threat to London.

"The Met requires bulk ANPR data from TfL's camera network in London specifically for terrorism intelligence purposes and to prevent and investigate such offences.

"The infrastructure will allow the real-time flow of data between TfL and the Met."

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Mr McNulty said Home Secretary Jacqui Smith had signed a certificate exempting the two organisations from some provisions of the 1998 Data Protection Act.

The Met will produce an annual report for the Information Commissioner, the government's data protection watchdog who oversees how material from CCTV cameras is used.

The scheme will also be reviewed in three months' time after an interim report by Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair, so the home secretary can be "personally satisfied ... that the privacy of individuals is protected", added Mr McNulty.

Congestion charge cameras form a ring around central London to enforce the £8-a-day toll.

Although charges are only in force at peak times, the system runs 24 hours a day, a TfL spokesman said.


Why? I mean, what good would it do against a determined terrorist? - unless this policy isn't actually aimed at them!

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Weren't most of these cameras originally installed as anti-terrorist measures then later upgraded with ANPR when the con charge was brought in? How come the police need permission to use them to catch terrorists but camden can use them all the time to issue parking fines?

Priorities huh.

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With data comes responsibility.

I wonder how they will cope with a flood of subject access requests under the data protection act?

Personally I think it's a bloody outrage...

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hairyben wrote:
Weren't most of these cameras originally installed as anti-terrorist measures then later upgraded with ANPR when the con charge was brought in? How come the police need permission to use them to catch terrorists but camden can use them all the time to issue parking fines?

Priorities huh.


if i recall the cameras in the 'ring of steel' always had an early version of ANPR....i remember reeading an article saying that car thieves had got wise to this and avoided the area at all costs


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With data comes responsibility.

I wonder how they will cope with a flood of subject access requests under the data protection act?

Personally I think it's a bloody outrage...


Since the units will be used for national security, the dpa doesn't apply.
In any case, people have tried to get access to data held about them by the police for ages. You have to issue each police authority with a subject access order to obtain any info held about you in each area. Each force has a "data controller"

http://www.met.police.uk/dataprotection/forms.htm


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SafeSpeed wrote:
With data comes responsibility.

I wonder how they will cope with a flood of subject access requests under the data protection act?

Personally I think it's a bloody outrage...


Since the units will be used for national security, the dpa doesn't apply.
In any case, people have tried to get access to data held about them by the police for ages. You have to issue each police authority with a subject access order to obtain any info held about you in each area. Each force has a "data controller"

http://www.met.police.uk/dataprotection/forms.htm


This is ominous:

The Times, July 17th 2007

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He added: “The Met requires bulk ANPR data from TfL’s camera network in London specifically for terrorism intelligence purposes and to prevent and investigate such offences. The infrastructure will allow the real-time flow of data between TfL and the Met.”

Mr McNulty said that Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, had signed a certificate exempting the two organisations from some provisions of the 1998 Data Protection Act.

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National No Number Plates day........ system error.

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I reckon its just another step towards the Gov making it non PC to remove the cameras in the future.

Something along the lines - "we'll have to keep the Con charge & cameras - they're essential for national security" :roll:

BTW has Boris said anything about his plans for the Con charge yet? :lol:

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kendalian wrote:
I reckon its just another step towards the Gov making it non PC to remove the cameras in the future.

Something along the lines - "we'll have to keep the Con charge & cameras - they're essential for national security" :roll:

BTW has Boris said anything about his plans for the Con charge yet? :lol:


Yeah you just need to change the wording a little; "Theyre essential for OUR security.....bugger you lot". :wink:

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