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The irony in some of the recent comments on this thread (that is titled 'Too scared to speak our mind') are obviously lost on those posting.


I havent spoken my mind freely on here as itd not be a wise thing to do, id probably be on some watchlist if i had, so there is no irony, only fear.

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The irony in some of the recent comments on this thread (that is titled 'Too scared to speak our mind') are obviously lost on those posting.


I havent spoken my mind freely on here as itd not be a wise thing to do, id probably be on some watchlist if i had, so there is no irony, only fear.


Fear as in those who have already spoken out in public only to have been arrested under the terrorism act.

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nope, it makes me a little upset on your behalf, because despite having all the things that should make you happy, you still can't see it.


Ahh you mean like; Surveillence, excessive taxes, harassement while going about my daily life, threats of fines and imprisonment if i say or do something thats not considered "pc", high crime levels, traffic wardens and speed cameras, useless police, corrupt politicians, high prices, state oppression in the form of ID cards and all the threats of retaliation if i dont submit and so on ....if thats your idea of what should make us happy then as long as youre happy, utopia has never looked so er..utopian.

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Then the country says "bye" to another skilled person to the detriment of the local economy, to be replaced with what?

What skilled work do you do that will be such a loss to the country?
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Someone who cant even speak ( or wont) the language and who will likely burden the system not contribute to it. Thus a rather large flaw in your flippant remark ( i presume it was actually your "solution"? ) is exposed.

It was not my 'solution' at all. You asked what I would say to someone who thinks that they 'no longer fit in with the current political, economic and social climate'. Who is so socially isolated that they 'feel lost, a stranger in his own country'. If that is really how you feel and you are not prepared to make an effort to change, surely the best thing you can do is go. You are the one that no longer likes it here.
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Im born of england yet im told "bye" ( effectively told to get out) when i raise a serious question.
Nice one pal, thanks for re-enforcing the alienation of those this country can ill afford to lose.

My country will be better off without whinging and bitter bigots. My country won't feel that it has lost anything other than some dead wood that needs to be cut away.
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I hope youll be very happy paying your raised tax levels for your non english speaking, benefit scrounging, scam-mongering slavetrading neighbours to live off.

I hope you won't be coming back to scrounge off the NHS in your old age after you discover you have to pay for care in your adopted country.
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If you represent the calibre of those who will remain then ill be glad to f'ck off out.
Enjoy yourself.

Thats's fine. As long as you understand, in the spirit of not 'feeling scared to speak my mind', that tiny-minded attitudes like yours are best off out of here.

Moronic and sickening ignorance combined with intolerance of others. Where do you think will you 'fit in'?


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Icandoit wrote:
whinging and bitter bigots
Moronic and sickening ignorance combined with intolerance of others.
tiny-minded attitudes

Why is it that people who hold a different opinion on the subject of immigration etc. always use this sort of language?
Brainwashed, perhaps? Can't see the bigger picture? Dunno...

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BottyBurp wrote:
Icandoit wrote:
whinging and bitter bigots
Moronic and sickening ignorance combined with intolerance of others.
tiny-minded attitudes

Why is it that people who hold a different opinion on the subject of immigration etc. always use this sort of language?
Brainwashed, perhaps? Can't see the bigger picture? Dunno...

I 'dunno' either as I was replying to a poster who claims (amongst other ridiculous comments) that my neighbours are 'non english speaking, benefit scrounging, scam-mongering and slavetrading' and you think I can't see the bigger picture? :roll:


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I 'dunno' either as I was replying to a poster who claims (amongst other ridiculous comments) that my neighbours are 'non english speaking, benefit scrounging, scam-mongering and slavetrading' and you think I can't see the bigger picture? :roll:


Mate, from memory you live on the IOW. I've never seen anywhere on the mainland as clean, friendly, safe and generally decent as Bembridge Cowes or Yarmouth.

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Mate, from memory you live on the IOW. I've never seen anywhere on the mainland as clean, friendly, safe and generally decent as Bembridge Cowes or Yarmouth.

Your memory fails you.

Bristol is rather less 'clean, friendly, safe and generally decent' than the IoW, although I haven't been on a Red Funnel for 20 years!


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Can I remind everyone that we are indeed free to speak our minds in this forum, but not at the expense of needless personal offence.
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In that case Icandoit, Mia Culpa.

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What skilled work do you do that will be such a loss to the country?


The full range of my skills i wont discuss here save to say the following:
I hold several industrial type qualifications from nvq's to city and guilds.
I hold a total of 28 certificates in the subjects im qualified in.
I may not be a brain surgery expert but thats not to say what i do isnt of value.

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It was not my 'solution' at all. You asked what I would say to someone who thinks that they 'no longer fit in with the current political, economic and social climate'. Who is so socially isolated that they 'feel lost, a stranger in his own country'. If that is really how you feel and you are not prepared to make an effort to change, surely the best thing you can do is go. You are the one that no longer likes it here.


I do like my country. I just dont like how its being transformed into something unrecognisable in terms of social, racial, economical and political landscapes.
Am i not allowed to say anything? Because you dont agree?

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My country will be better off without whinging and bitter bigots. My country won't feel that it has lost anything other than some dead wood that needs to be cut away.


Oh i see, its YOUR country and i hold no stakes in it at all.
Your attitudes will change drastically when you realise youre the "dead wood" being cut away. I hope those words come back to haunt you. :wink:

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I hope you won't be coming back to scrounge off the NHS in your old age after you discover you have to pay for care in your adopted country.


Not that im not entitled to do so then?
Having paid in to it?
Its not like i just turned up here after travelling through 6 friendly countries to claim "asylum".

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Thats's fine. As long as you understand, in the spirit of not 'feeling scared to speak my mind', that tiny-minded attitudes like yours are best off out of here.

Moronic and sickening ignorance combined with intolerance of others. Where do you think will you 'fit in'?


Id probably fit right in with you if i held your views, but it dosnt mean theyre right.

Icandoit believes me to be moronic yet he's the one chucking insults.
Apparently im the one suffering from sickening ignorance and intolerance yet he obviously dosent see that his own ignorance of how i feel is the same as the sickening ignorance and intolerance he accuses me of.
Im then advised that my "tiny minded attitude" ( pc speak for "not in agreement") would be best off of here.
Typical reaction from someone who refuses to acknowledge a viable and valid argument.
Is it cos i is white? i would wish to ask.

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Open message to everyone who says "I'm thinking of leaving the country":

Cheerio then, don't let the door catch your arse as you leave.

P.S. Don't come back whinging, you've made your choice, no-one cares.


That is the most inane thing I think I've ever heard you say Handy.

What do I say to a disabled or dear old person who has memories going back 50 years or more, went to the local school, had friends and family all grow up together but now, in the evening of their years and with failing health, they don't even recognise the neighbours or country they live in or fought for.

I guess you would say "Cheerio then, don't let the door catch your arse as you leave", except they can't!

They, and countless generations have paid into our system all their life and now, after a lifetime of work and hardship, they have to sell their home for health care.

It's an absolute disgrace and if you think that it doesn't happen very much you should be a fly on my shoulder sometime. It's heartbreaking!

Now then, what benefits do people get coming into this country who have paid nothing into the state? Again, I know from personal experience they get quite a good package I can tell you!

If you scatter seed you're going to attract birds.

My thanks to DeltaF, Dixie and Paul for common sense.

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Icandoit wrote:
BottyBurp wrote:
Icandoit wrote:
whinging and bitter bigots
Moronic and sickening ignorance combined with intolerance of others.
tiny-minded attitudes

Why is it that people who hold a different opinion on the subject of immigration etc. always use this sort of language?
Brainwashed, perhaps? Can't see the bigger picture? Dunno...

I 'dunno' either as I was replying to a poster who claims (amongst other ridiculous comments) that my neighbours are 'non english speaking, benefit scrounging, scam-mongering and slavetrading' and you think I can't see the bigger picture? :roll:

Yep.

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Open message to everyone who says "I'm thinking of leaving the country":

Cheerio then, don't let the door catch your arse as you leave.

P.S. Don't come back whinging, you've made your choice, no-one cares.


That is the most inane thing I think I've ever heard you say Handy.


the point is, tone, that for the most part in my experience, the whingers who say "I'm thinking of leaving the country" don't leave, they just stay here and whine.

It's not perfect here, far from it, but if they are going to whine about it all the time, and threaten to leave, I'd rather they either shut up and stopped depressing the rest of us, or got out and explored the greener grass wherever their personal utopia is.

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My thanks to DeltaF, Dixie and Paul for common sense.
thanks, I needed a laugh!

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If you scatter seed you're going to attract birds.


That's funny - as a younger man I always had to attract the birds first then scatter my seed.

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If you scatter seed you're going to attract birds.


That's funny - as a younger man I always had to attract the birds first then scatter my seed.

I'll get my coat.


:no:

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If you scatter seed you're going to attract birds.


That's funny - as a younger man I always had to attract the birds first then scatter my seed.

I'll get my coat.

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Big Tone wrote:
If you scatter seed you're going to attract birds.


That's funny - as a younger man I always had to attract the birds first then scatter my seed.

I'll get my coat.

:groan:


It made me laugh :lol: Good lateral thinking too Paul.


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handy wrote:
Open message to everyone who says "I'm thinking of leaving the country":

Cheerio then, don't let the door catch your arse as you leave.

P.S. Don't come back whinging, you've made your choice, no-one cares.


That is the most inane thing I think I've ever heard you say Handy.


the point is, tone, that for the most part in my experience, the whingers who say "I'm thinking of leaving the country" don't leave, they just stay here and whine.

It's not perfect here, far from it, but if they are going to whine about it all the time, and threaten to leave, I'd rather they either shut up and stopped depressing the rest of us, or got out and explored the greener grass wherever their personal utopia is.



Ahhh... Well I agree with you there but surely you can also see it doesn't necessarily depress others if others feel the same way. It's always nice to have solidarity on an issue. ("issue" I hate using that damn word - reminds me of work and I feel like getting my bullshit bingo card out during the meeting)

Sometimes they don't really want to leave but at the same time it's nauseous living here. You never been caught between a rock and a hard place? If the CSA had caught you in the 80s you wouldn't be so patriotic I can tell you. Nuff said :(

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The full range of my skills i wont discuss here save to say the following:
I hold several industrial type qualifications from nvq's to city and guilds.
I hold a total of 28 certificates in the subjects im qualified in.
I may not be a brain surgery expert but thats not to say what i do isnt of value.

Thats good, so the work you do can be of value to whatever country will adopt you.
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I do like my country. I just dont like how its being transformed into something unrecognisable in terms of social, racial, economical and political landscapes.
Am i not allowed to say anything? Because you dont agree?

You are allowed to say anything that you like. What you don't seem to want is someone to disagree with your small-world viewpoint.

I would still gladly say 'bye' to anyone who has your sort of complaints about the country. Good riddance too.
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Oh i see, its YOUR country and i hold no stakes in it at all.
Your attitudes will change drastically when you realise youre the "dead wood" being cut away.

'My country' is my view of the country.

You hold a 'stake' in a country you don't seem to like. Change it, live with it or leave it, but stop moaning about these problems. If you think your neighbours really are slave-traders YOU need to do something about it. (I bet they aren't)
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Not that im not entitled to do so then?
Having paid in to it?
Its not like i just turned up here after travelling through 6 friendly countries to claim "asylum".

You might be entitled to but if you choose not to be involved in the country your coming back to use the NHS in your old age is just hypocritical. You are not just another hypocrite are you DeltaF?
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Id probably fit right in with you if i held your views, but it dosnt mean theyre right.

What are my 'views' that you don't agree with?
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Typical reaction from someone who refuses to acknowledge a viable and valid argument.

I don't believe for one moment that your neighbours are non-English speaking, benefit scrounging, scam-mongering slave-traders. You have not shown that any of the points you have raised have any affect on you directly.


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Ang on a mo, who said who is moaning and whinging??? Are we not ALL here constantly whinging? This is how I see it. I'll do it like I used to on my old Sinclair...

10 Here's an issue to post
20 Whinge about the issue
30 Agree with the whinge or whinge about the whingers in another post
40 If whinge topic is really good GOTO 30
50 If whinge topic is getting abusive or heated GOSUB 100
50 If whinge is burning-out then "END"
60 GOTO 10
100 Amin posts warning
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Not very good but hey, it's been about 25 years :)

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