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Action group to buy own speed recorder
By Hannah Williams
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MOTORISTS in Beaconsfield will have to slow down in the town as an action group looks set to buy its own mobile speed recorder.

Beaconsfield Neighbourhood Action Group (NAG) would be the first of its kind in the country to own its own Speed Indicator Device (SID), thanks to a £4,300 donation from the Beaconsfield Campaign Group (BCG).

The equipment will allow trained members to conduct their own speed checks with the support of Thames Valley Police.

The "clever" device will signal to passing traffic the speed at which it is travelling and will be able to store data with the aim of producing material to educate local motorists on how to drive safely.

Andre de Marsac, chairman of the Beaconsfield NAG, said that as planning circumstances had moved on, a new and relevant use was needed for the funds.

He said: "We are very grateful that the funds have become available. The SID will not be a tool that is there to threaten, but to remind drivers not to speed in built up areas where there may be children around.

"I think it will be in regular use alongside other methods of carrying out speed checks and issuing tickets to speeders in areas where they shouldn't be."

Rod Whyte will hand over a cheque to Mr de Marsac for the full amount on behalf of the BCG committee at the meeting of Beaconsfield Town Council on Thursday.

The Beaconsfield Campaign Group successfully campaigned against South Bucks District Council's plans to build an office block on the Altons car park and replace the Town Hall with a multi-storey car park.

It then sought to represent the interests of third parties in planning matters but disbanded after a lack of response by local Government.

Gerry Dorme, chairman of the former BCG Committee, said he was disappointed that the funds could not be used for representing the interests of third parties in local planning matters, but believed that the use of the money would meet with the approval of the donors.

Residents will be able to request to have the use of the SID to carry out traffic surveillance in the roads where they live in a bid to tackle speeding.


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The "clever" device will signal to passing traffic the speed at which it is travelling and will be able to store data with the aim of producing material to educate local motorists on how to drive safely.


This really is dangerous twaddle.

Apparently we're going to allow the totally clueless to educate others.

Great, just great.

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Apparently we're going to allow the totally clueless to educate others.


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It's not one of these roads where locals think its dangerous to exceed 30mph when the speed limit was once a safe 40mph with an 85th percentile speed of 44mph or something?


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I'm generally convinced that all these local speed reduction campaigns are actually a proxy for residents resenting the VOLUME of traffic past their houses and very little to do with speed. As they don't actually want their road blocked off there is little else they can do but try to divert motorists elsewhere by traffic calming etc.

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malcolmw wrote:
I'm generally convinced that all these local speed reduction campaigns are actually a proxy for residents resenting the VOLUME of traffic past their houses and very little to do with speed. As they don't actually want their road blocked off there is little else they can do but try to divert motorists elsewhere by traffic calming etc.



I have no doubt that this is exactly what it is!


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It is.

Our village has big 'volume' issues.

People are calling for speed cameras, I am trying to educate them.

The bang on about the volume sat rush hour but fail to see that the speeds are about 10mph.


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I can't wait to come across these do gooders. I'm going to do 1mph over the limit going back and fourth many many times giving the single finger salute.

What will they be able to do about it? Absolutely nothing.


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Obscene gestures are covered under the public order legislation I believe, 'giving, or intended to give, distress'.

Bloody satisfying though.


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Mmmh!.......(quote) "The "clever" device will signal to passing traffic the speed at which it is traveling and WILL BE ABLE TO STORE DATA with the aim of producing MATERIAL to "educate" LOCAL(?) motorists on how to drive safely........(unquote)

Damn.............That IS clever! Do they mean that this uncohoberated evidence is to be used to: Threaten people? and that strangers will be "exempt"?

Surely......this is against the law! Once again, the motorist is the automatic "Villain........


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and it gets worse...

http://www.stanleyhill.org


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Obviously someone with his own web design company lives in Stanley Hill.

Does anyone know this road and can comment on the appropriateness of the 30mph limit?

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Ooh, their website has a forum! CSCP take 2 anyone? :twisted:

A couple of things spring out at me from their site, as much as I've explored thus far. Firstly, their snotty, high-handed letter purports their incorrect assumption that speed = danger as fact, suggesting it is backed by official data, which we all know it isn't. Additionally, they plaster pictures of an alleged infraction on their site, a potential defamation one would have thought, given their only 'proof' of the infraction is a pair of stills from synchronised camcorders!

Even more disturbing is one of the links on their links page, which seems to be to the website for the Church of Ignorance http://www.slower-speeds.org.uk/. Here they have it all, fundamentalist environmentalism and ill-informed road-safety views, though sadly no forum where we can call them out on their nonsense. I did get a chuckle from their first list however, where they were clearly desperate to have 6 items, so listed both 'improve road safety' and 'reduce road danger' one after another!


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malcolmw wrote:
Obviously someone with his own web design company lives in Stanley Hill.

Does anyone know this road and can comment on the appropriateness of the 30mph limit?


According to website the 30 limit has only just been introduced and from looking at the photos on the main page it seems to me that 35-40 isn't dangerous on at least some of the road.

Here's a Google Maps view.

Certainly isn't continuously built up on both sides.


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Have looked at the Fourm the newest member is

paulsmithhasn'taclue

I can quess what type of fourm it will be :roll:

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Noted, I wonder if they will encourage personal attacks in their usernames routinely.

I've registered there, I look forward to learning of the rationale behind their point of view.


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I notice that the forum features a link to the Australian "small member" video.

I think the discussion on here asking if it would be acceptable to imply that women who speed are in some way physically deformed in "that area" might be usefully deployed.

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Ahh, look at the founder member section


Children's play Council
Cyclist's touring club
Environmental Transport Association
Roadpeace
The Pedestrians association (living streets)
sustrans
Transport2000

Need not say any more


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The gallery section interests me.

How do the companies know the equipment is working correctly? Is it approved?

It amazes me the companies roll over so easily, or is just lip service?

Then again 4 pages with eight compines on each, and only seven replies?
Perhaps the letters have been correctly filed :lol:

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Well, it would seem to be one of "those" forums!

I made a supportive post about getting their pedestrian crossing fixed, and a couple of perfectly civil posts asking about the speed limit and speeding situation in their village, and returned to the site to find my posts gone and my account deleted.

Only those with something to hide need engage in censorship!


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