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The news that the state broadcasting company put out just the other day had me railing yet again.

We are advised (apparently) that we must "spy" on our neighbours, and if we are to be good citizens we should report them to the authorities.

Oh really? Didnt the exact same policy exist within the GDR led by Erich Honecker?
So they want us to report suspicious activity do they? How suspicious? Furtive glances passed between two strangers maybe?
What kind of activity? Digging in the garden at 3am perhaps? Nothing suspicious about that, i always bury my bodies in the middle of the night, it saves on disturbing the local dole scum when they get a lie in next day, im considerate like that....

The fact is this; Their "cctv security" cameras (Real function- surveillence cameras) only see so much and this is just another method of extending their reach by panicking people into thinking that theres "reds under the beds" or in this case "terrorists". Total bollocks! If theres any terrorists living by me, then i dont mind, just do us a favour lads, dont keep setting em off in public, youre not making any friends with all that noise.

What i find funny is they now NEED our help. Our help and they NEED it.
They created the current climate ( old proverb; reap what you sow) and after years of harassing ordinary folks they now want us to help them.
Well sorry old chap, i cant do it, i just cant. Besides, i was waaaaay too busy watching the speedo to notice anything else and in any case, you started it on your own, now finish it on your own and stop involving ordinary people in your bad policy decisions.
I dont want to live in a surveillence stasi state and i wont be a party to its realisation, so if you want us to spy for you, forget it. Its your problem, you sort it out and stop trying to get the public to do your dirty works for you, creeps.

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Profitting from death and misery since 1993.

Believe nothing- Question everything.

On a slightly different tack, how long do you think the 21/7 bombers are going to survive in jail?

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

So let's get this straight, under your recommendation, if we see something suspicious (say, someone in your office browsing a website with instructions for mayhem) we should just remember our traditional British reserve and not say anything? If I see someone being attacked, better to let them recover in hospital without all the trouble of having to worry about a court case to prosecute their attacker?

Excellent plan!

So if we see someone damaging cars in a car park, I assume the same applies? I mean, you wouldn't mind if your car was damaged by a vandal with a hammer, as long as no-one helped the authorities by being a whatsitcalled, you know, witness?

This will lead to a knock on effect, cutting down our prison population. Of course, unsolved crimes would go up but that's a small price to pay for standing up for your principles.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Let's look at this a bit more carefully. If you saw a white person who had worked for your company a long time browsing the site you mention, would you report them to the police? If you saw an employee recently joined the company from, say, Syria, doing the same, would you report them? If you were from the Middle East, would you report the Syrian?

I think most people would report your example of the vandal in the car park but what if you saw a man in a suit trying car doors?

The police intelligence department must be dreading this "spying on your colleagues" initiative. They will receive a torrent of useless information (as well as the malicious stuff) which will obscure useful reports.

Having just written the paragraph above, I have realised that I don't know to whom I should report suspicious activity anyway. The only time I have tried to report vandalism (as it was happening) to the police I had zero response.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

I see both your points, and I'm sure there is a happy medium!

What this really highlights to me is how successfully the government has managed to drive a wedge between themselves, along with the rest of 'authority', and us the populace. A democracy should not have this 'them and us' feeling to it, it certainly didn't whilst we were all pulling together under Winston or Maggie, and I would tend to identify it more with the flavour of communism seen in countries such as Stalin's Soviet Union. For heaven's sake, even Hitler had the country pulling together as one, at least in the early years of the Reich.

As long as they continue to treat us as 'them', nannying, chiding, administering, much in the way of a parent to a child, they will continue to find more and more people disinclined to do their bidding. We as a populace are here to do their bidding in as far as it takes us forward together, for the betterment of all the UK, we are not their peon workforce, to erect monuments to their glory, or to take orders that do nothing for the UK but increase their hold over us!

Double post.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

If I see someone suspicious with a camera, it is probobly a road planner trying to work out how to reduce the road width or a tax snoop... no hes checking who's smoking and where

Someone vandalising cars... oh no thier clamping them.

Some one suspicious in the bins... another council snoop... why was he looking at my classic cars? just a nosey bin man!

Is that a skip raider, no its enviromental waste checking whether my skip is exactly where the road permit says and checking for asbestos.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

I didnt recommend anything, i simply stated a point of view.



Absolutely! Whats it got to do with anyone else what an individual looks at?
Next thing theyll be making looking at naked women illegal......
For all you know, the asian gent browsing the sites of "mayhem" may just be doing some research for a thesis.
Ya know what youve just done handy? Youve presumed guilt. Living in a climate of fear does this.
Just what the government wanted. Nice one. Whatever happened to benefit of the doubt, or innocent until proven guilty?



Negative on that score. If i see someone being attacked ill steam in. Ive done it before, have you? Ive also assisted the police in an arrest, chased multiple burglars and scrotes down. I dont need lectures from anyone on my "civic duties".



Well its not a plan for a start, its a protest at being "USED".
You do know when youre being ultilised as an expendable asset dont you?



Again, youre barking up the wrong tree.
Witnessing a hammer attack isnt the same as snooping on your neighbours with a pair of binocs and a videocamera now is it?



Another knock on effect is the government might start to pay more attention to those who elected it rather than exploiting us for " security".
My principles are fine matey, id not stand by while Doris gets her head stoved in, or Charles. L. Scrote breaks into someones car. I draw the line at being a "tool" of the state. If they want that kind of co-operation, well, theyre gonna have to pay the going rates for spys.

If youre ok with being a snooper for the state then fine, but just remember this: You snoop on us, they snoop on you and pretty soon you wont be able to fart without some seisomograph picking it up and a fine in the post for you.
Slippery slopes slide all the way down.

Edited to add: This snooping that they want us all to do; Its not going to be a temporary thing, itll be a permanent state of affairs. You DO remember the GDR dont you Handy? Everyone all grassing each other for a payoff?
Thats what its coming to when people start "working for the man", thats what im opposed to.

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"Safety" Scamera Partnerships;
Profitting from death and misery since 1993.

Believe nothing- Question everything.

If I were to argue on both sides of the fence.
Handy is right that we should all be “public spirited” and If I don’t care about you why should you care about me?

On the other side. The Criminals and anti social people are causing me less grief right now than the alleged “good guys” the council, police, passports, tax men etc

This year is a typical year…..
Criminal damage this year £nil (last year nil, previous year £100)
Council tax, permits, passports. £2000+
Planning permission refused on a non existent rule
Spying on my bins, skips and car, money movements etc

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

My step father is wrong, he reads and believes everything the mail tells him and is your typical reactionary ex forces c 1965.

But.

I remember years ago him saying, if labour get in we'll see local committes, informants and all the rest.

Of course I laughed at him................................

Bliar, Brown all of them, they were all red to the bone! They believe in the power of the state over the individual. They've conned 'us' we bought it and now we've got what we deserve.

There's no point arguing with them about snopping and cctv and so on, you may as well bark at your cat. They simply don't understand that the individual is sacred and the state should serve the individual. They BELIEVE, this isn't a reaction to terrorism this is their political colour. This is what they cut their teeth on back in the 70's! The state is a means to an end...power to the state! FFS we're going to have 'Citizenship classes' in school. Citizen classes for gods sake. Someone...possibly the schools political officer will decide how my child will think and act! The 'State' should reflect society not dictate it.

You hear things frmm the police like 'we're trying to make speeding as socially unacceptable as drink driving'. Well thats' very nice of you and thanks for the concern but I would have though that 'society' was probably best placed to decide what it finds unacceptable so thanks but if its ok, we'll decline your kind offer of moral guidance and respectfully ask that you start doing your f**king jobs!

As for 'society' who was it who said that individuals may be intellegent but 'people' are stupid. I believe that they are 'boiling the frog' it's just that some of us realise that the water is getting rather warm.

Where do you report a dodgy looking white van sat on the side of a road pointing what could be a rocket launcher at people?

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Andrew.

You know these reports you're supposed to make. Are they OK to be anonymous? Would you be "forced" to give your name otherwise they discount your information? Would they ignore your accurate report of your neighbour just in from Jeddah with a ticking box.

If anonymous is OK, I guess that the white vans mentioned above could feature big on the police watch list.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Don't bother. That'll be me trying to pick up Sky TV news.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

yeah, I remember as a kid in the late 80's/early 90's how scared many adults around me were of labour, working class people who you think in childhood simplicity would be their grass roots supporters. Then blair came along and although he scared me from day 1, it's only years later I realise just what those people were so scared of.

And as for snooping to the police, like malcomw mentions I, like many people, am familiar with a police service that don't give a damn for my concerns anyway, if reporting crime that affects me personally is not worth the bother, why am I going to bother with anything else?

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Fear is a weapon of mass distraction

Hairyben hits the nail squarely: Wedge well and truly driven.

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"Safety" Scamera Partnerships;
Profitting from death and misery since 1993.

Believe nothing- Question everything.

Mission impossible ?? ( or is that getting whitehall to tell the truth):hehe:

And i remember the days of a former Labout Gov't looking for "REDS UNDER THE BED "

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Glad you agree,

whilst there were the economic arguements and the whole ban the bomb thing it was their statist approach which was the biggest fear.

Who cares?

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Save a cow - eat a vegetarian

The "Al Quaida terrorist threat" is the Government's best friend.

What the Government are doing is promoting an air of fear within the populace. Next, they will come along and offer to alleviate some of this fear in exchange for an eensy-weensy sacrifice to our civil liberties. And we will all welcome their offer with open arms.

They will keep doing this little by little, bit by bit, until one day we all wake up living in a totalitarian Police state.

Don't get me wrong, though - if I saw my next door neighbour making a bomb I would definitely report it (unless he could give me his 100% assurance he was going use it on a Talivan!)

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“For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.” - H. L. Mencken

Strangely similar, Taliban and Talivan ...

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.