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I heard that Mr Environment (Al Gore) has arranged for a LiveEarth concert.

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We reported to you last week that Al Gore is going to be organizing a concert event to even further promote the issue of global warming. Yesterday, the formal announcement came: “The 24-hour event on July 7 is part of a campaign, Save Our Selves -- The Campaign for a Climate in Crisis.” The concerts will take place on seven continents, with concerts in China, South Africa, Australia, London, Japan, Brazil and the United States. It’s said that this concert, dubbed Live Earth, could reach as many as 2 billion people. "In order to solve the climate crisis, we have to reach billions of people,” Al Gore said in a statement. “The climate crisis will only be stopped by an unprecedented and sustained global movement.” More than 100 performers are scheduled to appear, including the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Bon Jovi, Snoop Dogg, Melissa Etheridge, the Foo Fighters, Lenny Kravitz, Sheryl Crow, John Mayer, Duran Duran, Korn, Pharrell, the Black Eyed Peas, Akon, Enrique Iglesias, Faith Hill and Tim McGraw. Proceeds will create a foundation to combat climate change led by The Alliance for Climate Protection, which is chaired by Gore. Don't forget to submit your video about climate change! Visit our Convenient Truths contest to find out more.


So 24 hours of concerts including all the power for the stage lighting, travel for the performers, travel for the caterers, travel for the fans, power and travel for the television and radio crews, travel for Al to promote it, etc, etc.

Can you say irony?

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No, Irony is bands like metallica offering their support for al's latest bandwagen, when if the last big bandwagen scare the gores leapt on (PMRC) had suceeded in their aims rock bands like metallica would have been banned.

people have short memories huh.

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Oh god, I hadn't thought of that. Can you imagine him breaking the news to his wife that he was going to encourage a load of trash-talking rock stars to campaign at his behest:

"Tipper, I've got something to tell you..."

I bet he slept on the couch that night.


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Oh god, I hadn't thought of that. Can you imagine him breaking the news to his wife that he was going to encourage a load of trash-talking rock stars to campaign at his behest:

"Tipper, I've got something to tell you..."

I bet he slept on the couch that night.


You're being a little naive (IMO :D) More Like...

"Tipper, I've got something to tell you...",

"Sure, honey, how much will we make...?"

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Apparently the live earth in Johannesburg was Snowed out, yes, snowed out, by the first snow there in 1/4 of a century; the organisers blamed climate change for the poor turn out :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Here's where I got the link and story from:

http://www.iceagenow.com/Live_Earth_Con ... ed_Out.htm

And the link, which now is 404'd, for some reason!

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/ar ... ut_1036572

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Link that works

http://www.nme.com/news/live-earth/29539

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Johnnytheboy wrote:
Oh god, I hadn't thought of that. Can you imagine him breaking the news to his wife that he was going to encourage a load of trash-talking rock stars to campaign at his behest:

"Tipper, I've got something to tell you..."

I bet he slept on the couch that night.


You're being a little naive (IMO :D) More Like...

"Tipper, I've got something to tell you...",

"Sure, honey, how much will we make...?"


make?

surely this is all about al gores presidential ambitions? paint himself as the lone crusader fighting the evil for all our children and ride into washington on a wave of public adoration?

johnytheboy, you're crediting tipper as someone who wasn't just using the convenient scare value of rock music to gain support, which is obviously long forgotten cos they've got an all-new bigger, better and scarier bandwagen to ride.

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Dude, that has just made my day! "mother earth" is taking the p*ss! :rotfl:

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Link that works

http://www.nme.com/news/live-earth/29539


Dude, that has just made my day! "mother earth" is taking the p*ss!

And so is Gore, politicians and the environmentalists! :D

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6286922.stm

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A three-hour NBC programme marking the global day of Live Earth concerts was the least-watched show on mainstream US television on Saturday night.


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In the UK, TV coverage of Live Earth was watched by an average audience of 3.1 million viewers between 2000 and 2200 BST, less than a third of the figure for the previous weekend's Concert for Diana.


Shame...... :lol:

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I get sick of musicians and politicians etc. all saying how we need to be more green and do our bit when what they really mean is YOU need to be more green while they jet off around the world and consume everything. :puke:


Yesterday I burned about three gallons of diesel, consumed goodness knows how much electricity from a 'dirty' source and generally polluted the world with my un-green lifestyle, all of which is foisted upon me by the market forces in this so-called civilised country.

They're starting to help those who want to be green, and I try my best to do my bit, but the poisonous horse has already bolted. As I've said elsewhere, the planet doesn't react as a knee jerk.

Not one of us is actually giving up our lifestyle for the greater good which is what is actually needed by millions of us to halt the damage. When you look at exactly what you do, use or buy - how green are any of us?

Doing 'your bit' isn't going to be enough. It's too little too late.

The planets death knell is tolling. You may as well kill your children and eat a politician
(I'll feel better in a bit; the drugs haven't kicked in yet)

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Young drivers in the UK turn blind eye to green motoring
According to new research from Lloyds TSB personal loans, Britain’s young drivers are turning a blind eye to global warming, as seven out of ten motorists under 30 years old admit they don’t consider environmental factors when buying a car.

Although green issues top the political agenda, the findings reveal that the purchasing priorities of today’s young motorists are not keeping up with the times. The majority of young drivers are looking at more superficial factors, such as condition (79 per cent), make or brand (60 per cent) and colour (24 per cent) in their choice of car. Even those that do opt to go green aren’t doing so for genuine reasons, as one in seven admits their main motivation is to impress friends and family.

One in six young motorists admits that environmental issues are simply not important to them. A further six out of ten cite a lack of guidance on green motoring as the main reason for their apathy. Indeed, the findings highlight an absence of green motoring knowledge amongst young drivers, as over 75 per cent admit they have no idea about the fuel economy rating of their current vehicle.



Looks global warming hysteria has just about had its day

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Young drivers in the UK turn blind eye to green motoring
According to new research from Lloyds TSB personal loans, Britain’s young drivers are turning a blind eye to global warming, as seven out of ten motorists under 30 years old admit they don’t consider environmental factors when buying a car.

Although green issues top the political agenda, the findings reveal that the purchasing priorities of today’s young motorists are not keeping up with the times. The majority of young drivers are looking at more superficial factors, such as condition (79 per cent), make or brand (60 per cent) and colour (24 per cent) in their choice of car. Even those that do opt to go green aren’t doing so for genuine reasons, as one in seven admits their main motivation is to impress friends and family.

One in six young motorists admits that environmental issues are simply not important to them. A further six out of ten cite a lack of guidance on green motoring as the main reason for their apathy. Indeed, the findings highlight an absence of green motoring knowledge amongst young drivers, as over 75 per cent admit they have no idea about the fuel economy rating of their current vehicle.



Looks global warming hysteria has just about had its day


There was a recent goverment survey that showed 56% weren't buying into global warming. although whether thats 1) cos people can smell the rat (unlikely IMO), 2) they reject what they fear and can't alter (more likely) or 3) the government skewed the poll so they can redouble their enviromental crusade as the message "isn't getting through to us" (most probable).

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'No Sun link' to climate change

A new scientific study concludes that changes in the Sun's output cannot be causing modern-day climate change.

It shows that for the last 20 years, the Sun's output has declined, yet temperatures on Earth have risen.

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I though I had recently read that the temperature on Mars was increasing too?


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The thermal mass of the earth is far too big to be considering this over just a few years.

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BBC.co.uk wrote:
'No Sun link' to climate change

A new scientific study concludes that changes in the Sun's output cannot be causing modern-day climate change.

It shows that for the last 20 years, the Sun's output has declined, yet temperatures on Earth have risen.

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I though I had recently read that the temperature on Mars was increasing too?


yeah, damn those martians all doing the school run with their sodding great V8 surburban utility flying saucers.

I can't for the life of me see how you can measure the average world temperature to such a degree of accuracy, there's just too many variables.

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The thermal mass of the earth is far too big to be considering this over just a few years.

Given that a larger thermal mass should decrease any rate of change of temperature, wouldn't that comment tend towards supporting the argument for AGW?


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What is interesting, looking at those graphs, is that the sun's output does appear to have an influence on the global temperature, albeit delayed and damped (as we would expect from such a massive system).

Note that the nadir of the trough of cosmic rays around '87 coincides with a slowing of the rate of increase of global average temperature.

I'm pretty sure its safe to say that no single factor will explain why the earth is getting slightly warmer. I'm almost certain that man is insignificant in the process however.

I'm absolutely certain that 25 years is a ridiculously short sample to try to explain global climate change!


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I've had an idea on how th UK can cut a large slice from its carbon footprint.

TURN OFF ALL THE CAMERAS!

All the CCTV and scameras plus the mobile scameras must be costing a fortune in electricity and oil usage :lol:

Road of 100 CCTV cameras

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I've had an idea on how th UK can cut a large slice from its carbon footprint.

TURN OFF ALL THE CAMERAS!

All the CCTV and scameras plus the mobile scameras must be costing a fortune in electricity and oil usage :lol:

Road of 100 CCTV cameras


good idea. theres about 4 million, if they consume say 50w each on average, thats 200 mega watts. 200,000 units of electricity per hour 24/7, 1.7 (modern 9 0's) billion per year. which is three-quaters of a billion tons of CO2. which is more than 300,000 cars doing 10,000pa.

and they probably use more than 50w each IMO.

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..... which is more than 300,000 cars doing 10,000pa.

Pity that’s a drop in the ocean compared to the 30 odd million cars in the UK doing an average of 9kpa (excluding HGVs, buses, coaches, taxis, bikes......).

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and they probably use more than 50w each IMO.

50W is a bit too much for any camera, but you should be there if you factor in the necessary: recording equipment, monitors, capture cards/switching gear and night-time illumination - so it's a fair point anyway.

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