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On another note,

I'm getting £5 more for my bike than I paid for it - although it has had a couple of hundred quid's worth of servicing and repairs done since then. So hopefully I'll take the cheque for £1200, sell it for £1200 and then buy a shiny FZ6. Not half bad.

Riding a Bandit is a bit like riding a much more powerful CG125 btw...

Once you take the cheque, the bike belongs to the insurance co. and isn't yours to sell

Indeed, but I can buy the salvage from them for a small fee.

Nice, thats really constructive.

I just realised, he has the same first initial and surname as this really annoying English teacher from my college days that was universally despised by staff and students alike.
It's all starting to come clear now...

Its a conspiracy then!!

If it's a write-off, they usually scrap it, not sell the remains. Too many people moaning to them about how bikes wouldn't be nicked if they didn't sell the reg docs to the crooks.

I'm sure you're probably aware, Paul, but mpaton2004 and probably also "ElAndGone" are cyclingplus trolls.

They spend ages searching for threads on here of this sort, then boast about their trolling as such:
http://cyclingplus.co.uk/forum/topic.as ... _ID=133731

On the plus side, Paul should feel honoured, I have just read some of the threads over on cycling plus. All of the threads in the Campaign section, which purports to be about 'serious cycling issues' are in all fact about SafeSpeed and Paul Smith. So clearly they aknowledge the good work being done here

So...What have you learned from this experience?

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a link for repiv here

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A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Handy that really isn't constructive, and quite frankly as a fellow biker very offensive.

We've had people join here who've had such bad attitudes towards their own personal safety (either that or very small genitals and felt the need to boast about it) that its been laughable. I remember one guy who said that if you didn't fear for your life at some point then it wasn't a good ride.

repiV might well be SLIGHTLY full of it, but I think we all were a month after a test pass. Personally I think there MIGHT be more to the tank slapper he suffered than just rider error - powering on in a corner in the wet might well cause the back end to step out but not to fishtail like he describes, and the initial step out under hard acceleration like that is usually violent enough to send the unaware rider down. It might well have been rider error, but it also might well be mechanical fault - I wouldn't put it past a hire company to have mixed radials and crossplys for instance, or have badly adjusted / messed with / damaged suspension.

The most important thing is that he's here and he's discussing what happened with more experienced riders. I'm still learning and I've been on the road 4 years. Give the guy a brake FFS - he's been riding for a month in London and he's still here, that's gotta be worth SOMETHING.

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Are you all so paranoid as to think that everyone with a different opinion just HAS to be a C+ troll?...
Well FWIW, (dunno about the other guy) in my case...I never knew the C+ forum existed until you mentioned it on your paranoia trip.
Comparing the two camps I must say that many of the exchanges so far seem rather childish and do nothing to further either camps' ideology(IMHO of course).

Anyway I'm Waaaayyy too overweight to sling my lard ass over a crossbar these days...probably put my back out in the attempt as well...no I'll drive my car and obey the limits and drive at whatever speed UPTO those limits as I feel and SEE is safe to travel at.
Like anyone else here or elsewhere I reserve the right to put my own viewpoint across in the spirit of debate without being labelled or otherwise censored because I don't always agree with consensus in force at the time.
That doesn’t make me a troll…it makes me an INDIVIDUAL. . ...I’m not advocating you accept or even like my views but I have always been of the opinion that a debate is better and more meaningful when there are different views on a subject...
If I seem not to agree with your take on things…Get over it…move on….I do and now I have responded to the ‘troll’ slur…I shall.

mpaton ain't a troll either. He's been a member for AGES and I think he started off agreeing with the SS thinking. He then had a moment of 'clarity' and now his opinions have changed.

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Sounds to me like repiV hit a bit of oil/deisel/white line/manhole cover on cold tyres and rather than backing off just kept the throttle on or the swerving was causing the throttle to be jerked on and off thus causing the pendulum effect.

Loss of grip on the rear in wet or damp conditions is invariably attributed to too much throttle and not enough grip. Times to be aware of the lack of grip on road surfaces are when icy, when gritted, when wet and especially when wet after a long dry spell as the oils in the road leech out and sit on the water causing a skid pan.

Glad to hear that you are ok repiV but I think you know you were lucky. I suggest that you now think about when and where you give it the beans to ensure you continue to enjoy your rides.

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I don't dis-agree with the SS ideology either (for the most part anyway ) what I do dis agree with is certain cavalier attitudes towards road safety and others perception of what is, or is not safe.
In my view the OP's actions (as recounted) were not safe...but that doesn't make me right or wrong...what the OP has to do is take all the commentary offered so far and take from it as much or as little as he will ....

FWIW... I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment that

I agree. Personally, I think that is quite appalling.

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Possibly because wet roads are usually greasy roads.

Your accident was entirely preventable, but really you just need more experience.

I suggest you buy a less powerful bike. Walk before you run.

It seems a bit dumb to crush a bike that would be in a decent condition if you spent a few hundred quid on it...

I'm not sure I can really answer that question when I still don't understand why it happened.