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Crackdown continues for dangerous riders

[Tuesday 10 April 2007]

NORTH YORKSHIRE POLICE are promising to continue their hard line stance against irresponsible and anti-social motorcyclists across our region.

Riders are attracted to the area by a network of challenging roads across the Yorkshire Dales and police chiefs are insisting that those roads misused by riders will be targeted, and "extreme speeders" will be fast-tracked through the courts.

Extreme speeders - those caught exceeding any speed limit by 30mph - can lose their licences within days of being caught, said Road Policing Inspector Chris Charlton. He warned: "No-one should think that we are ignoring other dangerous road-users - we catch more drivers than riders at these high speeds and we take a dim view of their irresponsibility too.

"North Yorkshire Police are well aware that not all serious motorcycle accidents are the fault of riders, and we guarantee to come down hard on any road user who is jeopardising someone else's life."

With the motorcycle leisure-riding season getting under way the force promises a repeat of last year's hard line against risk-takers.

With the support of North Yorkshire's 95 Alive campaign, North Yorkshire Police halved the number of riders killed on the county's roads last year, but Insp Charlton warned that police officers and representatives of the other organisations in 95 Alive could not be everywhere on North Yorkshire's 6,000 miles of roads. He said: "Five riders have been killed this year, a horrendous start to 2007.

"All road-users have to take responsibility for their actions, and no-one more than motorcyclists who are so very vulnerable. We can and do make massive efforts to enforce the law and promote common-sense road safety, but we cannot protect riders and drivers from the consequences of their actions across every inch of this enormous county.

"They must all ride and drive within their capabilities, and they must do so with regard and respect for all other road-users."

Research suggests that 50% of all North Yorkshire crashes involving motorcycles involve the bike losing control on a bend and either hitting another vehicle or a fixed object - often a tree or stone wall.

Said Insp Charlton: "I am not saying these accidents are always down to speed - but they are very often the consequence of inappropriate speed for the prevailing road, weather or traffic conditions. We say that riders have to take responsibility for the way they ride.

"I think most riders understand that we are not anti-rider. We are, though, very strongly anti-death and anti-injury. The overwhelming majority of the thousands of riders who visit North Yorkshire are responsible, decent people, and they are very welcome here.

"But we do not welcome the idiot minority who like to show off or take foolish risks and I am warning them now - if you behave badly in North Yorkshire we will catch you. And then bad things will start to happen - they include fines, licence points, riding bans and prison. It's your choice."

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Seems pretty sensible to me, although from time to time on open roads, 30mph above the speed limit can be a walk in the park. Let's hope they do keep their committment to focus on the irresponsible minority.

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Said Insp Charlton: "I am not saying these accidents are always down to speed - but they are very often the consequence of inappropriate speed for the prevailing road, weather or traffic conditions. We say that riders have to take responsibility for the way they ride.


Common sense and not following the 'speed kills' doctrine.... what are his chances of making Chief Inspector? slim I'd say ;)

It is good to see it said though.

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We shall be doing exactly the same here in Durham .. as we have always done. Our view and policy and tactics are virtually identical to that of our near neighbours to our South.



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We will be having another session for young bikers and drivers soon. It is a fun and informative day for them.

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Here in Cumbria we have had FIVE motorcyclists killed in just two weeks, including a retired Police driving instructor.
From comments made after, it would seem at least two were caused by other parties, and not the motorcyclist.

I have to say that so far, I have seen less dangerous motorcycling than in previous years. A good many seem to be taking it slowly and enjoying the scenery rather than the thrill. :bighand:

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They have scenery?


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RobinXe wrote:
They have scenery?

We have! Like this....
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but watch out for THESE....
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Just ask your work colleagues in S & R, as they are frequently here admiring it close up! :lol:

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Ernest Marsh wrote:
RobinXe wrote:
They have scenery?

We have! Like this....
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but watch out for THESE....
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Just ask your work colleagues in S & R, as they are frequently here admiring it close up! :lol:



Ernest is right.

You do not have to drive very fast in Cumbria..Lancs Hills.. Peak District.. Dales // North Yorks or Durham.

Just chill. Enjoy our roads and the truly beautiful countryside which is England's Green and Pleasant Land. :wink:

I call the North of England from West to East "God's Owm Country" It is just pure gorgeous. :lol:

A walking . cycling and driving paradise.. but beware.. this is raw nature. Mother Nature likes her "children" to use the common sense She gave them in the first place. So .. dress accordingly if walking.. and likewise if riding or driving... and keep some warm layers, drinks and energy boosts to hand.

Our extremely beautiful expanse - stretching from Cumbria to Durham and down to North Yorks and Lancashire Hills is to be savoured and enjoyed as a feast for the eyes.. and quite possible to enjoy a challenging drive or ride whilst driving at speeds to just marvel at and enjoy a lovely landscape which could only have been created by Mother Nature and her soul mate God. :wink: after all :lol:


Ern :clap: Photos so good they must be repeated :lol:

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nothing compared to these

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WORLD'S MOST DEADLY ROAD
EXCLUSIVE TRUCKERS PLUMMET 16,500FT TO THEIR DEATH EACH YEAR 300 DIE ON TRACK JUST 10FT WIDE IT IS NOW NO1 TOURIST ATTRACTION IN BOLIVIA DRIVERS IGNORE NEW HIGHWAY AS IT'S LONGER
By Adam Lee-Potter 15/04/2007

IT'S hardly a road, just a 10ft-wide dirt track that twists and turns, hugging the side of the mountain as it teeters above a sheer drop into the valley more than 16,500ft below.

Yet day after day truckers thunder up and down, taking their lives in their hands as they wonder what might be beyond the next blind bend.

The wooden crosses and bunches of flowers lining the side of the road are a reminder that often it's death.

Every year more than 300 lose their lives on El Camino de la Muerte - the road of death - making it the most dangerous highway in the world. And it is getting worse as its reputation is now attracting ghoulish tourists.

The 43-mile stretch of road from La Paz to Coroico is Bolivia's No 1 tourist attraction. It is also a magnet to thrill-seekers - mountain bikers who want to see how fast they can go as they career down to the valley floor.

Only three weeks ago an Israeli cyclist plunged to his death after misjudging a hairpin bend. His blood-stained bicycle can still be clearly seen.

Michael Jauregier, who owns the roadside Hotel Esmeralda, saw him lose control. "His screams will haunt me for the rest of my life," he says. "One second he was on the road the next hurtling over the edge.

"This road is terrible I have seen hundreds lose their lives since I opened my hotel 16 years ago. You might as well play Russian Roulette as take this road.

MANY accidents happen when trucks get stuck and have to reverse as the road is so narrow. Too often they slip over the edge.

"Now tourists are making it even more dangerous. They come either to gawp or to cycle down as fast as they can. We are seeing deaths almost every week."

El Camino de la Muerte was built in the 1930s to connect the remote northern region of Yungas, which produces 90 per cent of Bolivia's coffee, to the rest of the country. It starts nearly 16,500 feet above sea level in the peaks of the Andes before descending 15,000 feet through tropical rainforest.

Rolling mists come out of nowhere, concealing oncoming vehicles, while in the rainy season it becomes a shifting, slippery mass of mud. To make matters worse, many lorries using the route are more than 30 years old. The road surface is scarred by tyre tracks disappearing over the edge - a tell-tale sign of brake failure.

Truck driver Chico Fernandez, 38, has driven the road five times a week for 20 years. "I have come close to death, several times," he says. "Just last month my lorry jack-knifed in the wet and I had to jump out of my cab as the truck slid into the valley. I was lucky as I have lost many friends. I only drive this road because I'm an uneducated Bolivian and need the money to feed my family. I put my faith in God - and new tyres every six months."

What is hard to believe is that no trucker needs to take the road as the government built an alternative route - which many ignore as it's longer.

"It's a macho culture here and people think it is life-affirming to tackle el Camino de la Muerte," says Michael. "But often they wish they hadn't."


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Ern :clap: Photos so good they must be repeated :lol:


In that case, I post this link for your personal gratification - and there's a work link for Robin there too!
http://picasaweb.google.com/topeengraver/TheYearSoFarInPictures
All my own work you understand!

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WORLD'S MOST DEADLY ROAD
EXCLUSIVE TRUCKERS PLUMMET 16,500FT TO THEIR DEATH EACH YEAR 300 DIE ON TRACK JUST 10FT WIDE

I got this as a PowerPoint in an email a while back.

Why dont they just lower the limit and put a speed cam up? :wink:

Seriously though, it should be one way ony - but from the sounds of it, they actually WANT to risk their lives! :banghead:

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I can really see the attraction but -and its a big one - only if it was a quiet backwater pass and I had something suitable to tackle it. As for coming down it on a mountain bike, well I trust the one who don't die are met by two MDs with a signed section form, a rubber lined van and one of those jackets with the extra long sleeves and lots of buckles.

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Thanks for the pictures, I was trying to visualise the road in my head, but never imagined it was as bad as that. I was a truck driver for many years, mostly in Europe as opposed to the UK, and I've been in some tight spots in various countries, but NEVER have I seen such an AWSUME road. UNBELIVABLE, and so many artics. They must have balls the size of melons, and deserve a medal the size of a dustbin lid !! I thought that the old Shap was something else, pussy compared to that !
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Reading the original post from Paul regarding the NORTH YORKSHIRE POLICE ‘crackdown’ on dangerous drivers I was struck by the following quote from Inspector Chris Charlton:


"They must all ride and drive within their capabilities, and they must do so with regard and respect for all other road-users."


And then In Gear replied with this:

Drive and ride to your capabilities and strengths - within the COAST model.


You see, it got me thinking about various articles by Paul Smith and earlier threads that have promoted more driver and rider training and how such training can enhance one’s risk management, thereby minimizing the chance of a collision.

So, if a driver or rider with further/advanced training travels down a road at any speed which he perceives as safe, and does not have an accident/collision, then surely he has managed the risks and arrived safely, without being a menace to anybody else.

He has driven/ridden within his capabilities and strengths and the speed element is immaterial.

Unless, that is, he is caught by a speed camera. Then all of the above logic goes out of the window and the issue is how fast he was traveling, not how he was riding within his capabilities.

My solution to this dilemma is simple, and I would be interested in other opinions, namely that further driver/rider training would be taken into account so a sliding scale of punishments can be administered, thereby rewarding the individuals time, money and effort in passing the further training.

Simple excess speed would be a thing of the past (bye-bye fixed cameras) and we would have evidence of the Police officer or video from the static Mobile camera van, that showed the driver/rider had been reckless in his speed/driving.

A smooth progressive advanced trained driver/rider would be travelling within his capabilities and attract no penalties but a reckless one would receive a suitable punishment, such as having to fund and pass an advanced course before he gets his licence back!
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And one more thing……..!!

Taking another extract from Inspector Chris Charlton

"North Yorkshire Police are well aware that not all serious motorcycle accidents are the fault of riders, and we guarantee to come down hard on any road user who is jeopardising someone else's life."

With this in mind I suggest he posts his officers at all minor road junctions in the county, in order that motorists look more carefully before pulling out, which would have more effect on reducing his road accident figures than all the speed enforcement he proposes.

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