Safe Speed Forums

(discussion moved from another thread)


Although figures of £1.34 a mile have been bandied about, let us assume the average figure is more like 7p per mile, which is approximately the current cost of fuel duty.

If someone does 100 miles a week, at the average price, and normally does roughly the same journeys, then as long as they're paying around £7 a week they won't be bothered. Prepayment may suit them and make budgeting easier.

On the other hand, if you're doing 500 miles a week, on a variety of different roads, and ofter driving in rush hours, then undoubtedly you would want an itemised bill.

It's all about what suits the individual. Some people find contract mobiles suit them, others prefer PAYG.

Also I would expect charging rates would be widely available on the web, as if the scheme is to have a deterrent effect then it would be important for people to be able to estimate journey costs in advance.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

If you use your own car for work then you are most certainly going to want an itemised bill!

Or will they change the tax laws such that the 40p per mile you are allowed to claim also includes road pricing and thus you can't claim it as a separate expense.

If so, and they do also remove fuel duty then it's great news for people who choose to use a gas guzzler to do their job since they'll save more than someone doing the same job in an economy car.

I have read that local authorities will be able to set their own level of toll.

So it is possible you would get several bills, one for each county.

I think the rates quoted (£1.30-£1.50) are way off the mark. It could much more than that.

Basical nobody knows, because they do not have a clue how to operate it at the moment.

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Speed camera policy Kills

One of the biggest potential problems is the administrative burden on employers sorting out charges for company cars between business and private use.

And what happens to those people who currently have their employer pay for their private fuel? Will they be able to have a flat-rate tax charge for their employer paying their road charging?

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

in my case I have to be at work 30 Mins after the first Bus, the journey time (two Buses) is 1 Hour and 20 Mins, therefore my car is essential, ie no car, no workie, ok so far?

in my case my car is essential to my carrying out my Job, therefore in theory I can claim Tax allowance on any Road charges involved in getting to Work

I have no doubt that 1000's of "average joe's" are also in the same position as yourself.


I also have no doubt that a very high percentage of all those "average joe's" will also realise quite quickly that they are finacially better off joining the dole queue, which means the government will have to charge those that are still driving even more than originally planned just to meet the increased benefits spending.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

I want to know what happens to people who don't have bank accounts, and pay for everything with cash.

Prepayment card, as with PAYG mobiles.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

And when you're on a motorway and the credit runs out?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

ISA kicks in and applies the handbrake

Nah, you go to prison for six months, you criminal, you!

They'll always make more prison spaces available for the *real* criminals, don't you think? And all drivers are murdering, raping scum of the earth to the powers that be. They'd put us on a register - oh, forgot, they already have one. DVLA...

Always remember, before any of the cash collected can go towards improvement of the transport infra-structure, this entire scheme must be funded. Was it estimated at £65 billion to set it up then £8 billion per annum to run it? If it were about reducing congestion in 10 years time, it would be easy to put 10p per litre extra tax on fuel to fund this and forget road charging. That way there would be no need to find £65 billion up-front and the improvements in alternative transport would reduce congestion on the basis that no-one actually wants to sit in traffic jams whilst travelling to and from work (which is the peak congestion time) and if a truly viable alternative existed they would use it - I know I would.
Of course, it's really about taxation and increased state control of the individual and no amount of 'spin' will make that belief go away.

Unfortunately you cannot have an itemised bill as



If the information is not held how can an itemised bill be prepared?

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Driving fast is for a particular time and place, I can do it I just only do it occasionally because I am a gentleman.
- James May

Should ake any dispute an open and shut case.

The same as happens when you run out of petrol, I assume. But, in general, you don't.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Do you find that in any way acceptable? I sure as hell don't.

One particular practical problem is that remainng credit might get used up at an unpredictable rate and catch folk out. (for example if you find yourself delayed to be travelling at an expensive time or get diverted onto an expensive road.)

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

And there are also the family crisis times. My mum sudedenly got ill and we spent three months visiting the Neuro ward. As a family we made 4 shifts a day and ran up a hospital parking bill of £200 a month. If you add all the congestion charge to that the bill would be even more cripling.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

And there's another disgusting tax, how on earth did we let them off with charging to park in OUR car parks at OUR hospitals? I can *almost* see how town centre parking avoids "parking congestion", but absolutely no excuse at hospitals..

I'm getting into a real "enough is enough" mood. Roll on the revolution.

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STOP the Toll Tax http://www.traveltax.org.uk

I daresay nothing would happen for a few days, then a PCN would land on your doormat. thats the icing on the cake for them isn't it?

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Fear is a weapon of mass distraction

If your credit ran out you could probably pay later at an inflated rate. They can't make the device stop the car.


Except the good points are probably outweighed by "I only need to be here for 10 minutes but the shortest time I can pay for is 30 minutes so I'll be here 20 minutes longer than I need to" thing.

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Andrew.