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I recieved an NIP today for allegedly doing 42 in a 30 zone, however the NIP asks me to fill in the details on the reverse, but the reverse is Blank??
Does this nullify the NIP? If I request another NIP would this mean that the 14 day deadline has exceeded as I havent been given the correct and official document to complete?

I welcome your thoughts

Adrian

The document serves two purposes.

First is a 'NIP' and MUST be served on the registered keeper within 14 days.

The second is a 'S172' request to identify driver.

As I understand it, the S172 request is not time-barred in the same way as the NIP. It sounds like your S172 request may be defective, and while that may be a good defence to a charge of 'failing to identify driver', I don't think it's game over in 14 days, because it's likely that the NIP has been served correctly.

Get along to Pepipoo for the best free advice on the net.

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Paul Smith
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It sounds like who ever generated it off the computer forgot to print the reverse for the details to go on. Paul is right the NIP has been served within the 14 day period, if you dont contact them to let them know there mistake then to ignore it will / might not be a valid reason for not returning it if taken to court for failing to furnish details, as if you dont let them know of the mistake they cant rectify it.
Stephen

... which is exactly how many cases are won.

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Paul Smith
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Massive caveat: IANAL - so get thee over to PePiPoo and don't take this post as "gospel".

Take a careful look at the wording on the form. If the form merely requires you to fill in the details on the reverse then get a photocopy of the form and get the copy authenticated (signed by someone independent to say it is a true copy). Then send it back completed as requested (i.e. blank - they didn't actually ask for anything, so you'll have filled in all the details they requested on the reverse of the form). When they take you to court, you've met your S172 obligations by provided the information they requested and I suspect the scammers won't have a leg to stand on. I'm not sure, though, whether they can issue another S172 request having served the original NIP within 14 days.

If, however, the wording is such that it requires you to identify the driver, I suspect your best chance would be the so-called PACE witness statement - again, see PePiPoo for details.

HTH,

(Edited to make it clear that if they've asked you supply the details specified by questions on the back of the form, the back of the form is blank, and you return it blank, they haven't actually asked you for anything and I suspect you've met your obligations under S172).

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Will

Is The PACE witness statement still a valid option? It seems that it has been used for a long time, and I just wondered what the progress of the original case was? How many successful/unsuccesful cases has there been with the PACE witness statement?

PePiPoo is the place to get that answered.